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Someone want to analyze this paint QH for me?

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This is our new mare and she's lovely - a 14.1 grade quarter horse, "paint" but not registered so we can't really call her a paint, right? Curious what you'd call her marking exactly- I'm no expert on color. Attached a pic of her colt too if that helps with genetics - unfortunately no idea what color the dad was. Thanks!!
 

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Paint is a breed so unless registered APHA she is technically not a Paint. But you could have a grade Paint (purebred but not registered) or Paint X. I'd just say "Paint X" personally, and if asked for details explain she is a grade and it's not actually known.

What she definitely is, is a pinto (color not breed). She is a flaxen chestnut. I'm not great with the pinto genes, but would guess frame overo and sabino. Her foal also appears to have frame, and looks like a bay from that picture (meaning dad was black based) doesn't help with mom's genetics though :P.

Frame "colors in the picture" with head white as opposed to tobiano which covers the topline and makes larger spots and has leg white and no face white. The sabino would explain the roaning that she has and some of the pattern on her face I believe.

While tobiano is the most common I do NOT believe either of them have it.

Like I said I'm not 100% with pinto patterns though.
 
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She is a chestnut/sorrel (two names for the same genetic color -red) with pinto patterns being expressed by sabino and frame. She could be registered with PtHA as hardship/undocumented: http://www.pinto.org/downloads/Registration/16_registration form.pdf

Also note, if you ever think about breeding her, only breed to a stallion that is tested negative for frame to avoid the heartache of a lethal white foal who dies slowly and painfully from untreatable (not even an immediate operation will change the outcome) constipation within 72 hours of birth. It is a 1 in 4 chance of lethal white if you breed two horses with frame and there are many horses who have frame but may have little to no white expression of frame and having other pinto patterns doesn't reduce the chance of also having frame.
 
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Lethal white is homozygous frame. All living horses with frame are heterozygous frame. Whenever a frame horse is bred to a non frame horse, you have a 50% chance of a heterozygous frame foal and a 50% chance of a non frame foal. The danger only exists if you breed two heterozygous frame horses, then you have a 50% chance of a heterozygous frame foal, a 25% chance of a non frame foal and a 25% chance of a homozgous frame (lethal white) foal.

Depending on the sire of the mare's foal would make the difference in any luck involved. As the foal also has frame, it could have been the lucky chance of getting it from the mare if the sire was non frame, but the only other option if the sire was non frame would be a non frame foal. But if the sire was also frame then the foal was the lucky 50% chance of only getting 1 frame gene ;-)
 
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