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    08-29-2013, 10:27 PM
Ok, I see what you are saying! So then what is a sooty buckskin? Is that actually a "brownskin" too?
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    08-29-2013, 10:45 PM
I also found conflicting information on sites, one of which buckskin horses , shows a chart with the At gene in buckskins and the color being brown, mouse or sooty buckskin. It also says "Buckskins and palominos are horses with a single copy of the cream gene. The first have either bay or brown base coats, but smokey blacks were also registered as buckskins."
So I'm not sure to go with, but I guess ultimately a DNA test would help clear it up!! Thanks for all the help, I never thought there would be so much information to process!!
    08-29-2013, 10:53 PM
The vast majority of "sooty buckskins" are smokey brown (correct term), or brownskin as I said earlier to make it a bit more clear what it is.

As far as the registry confusion there are not enough choices. You just have to pick whichever is closest to your horses color.

To the vast majority of people calling a smokey brown a buckskin is the easiest thing do do as much people aren't color geeks and won't have a clue what it is, that's why people usually call them sooty buckskins.
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    08-30-2013, 01:28 AM
Here you go here's a real sooty buckskin

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    08-30-2013, 02:58 AM
I'm genuinely curious, has he been tested and confirmed as such?
    08-30-2013, 09:47 AM
No sure. But you can see his base his a light gold with the sooty over the top. I really don't believe this horse is brown based. We've talked about this guy before. To me there is a clear visual difference between this guy and a brown based buckskin.
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    08-30-2013, 01:58 PM
So if he was a brown based buckskin, wouldn't his "soft points" be darker than a normal buckskin?? His face, flanks, belly and hams are extremely light, much like the picture you posted Peppy! All of the browns I have found pictures of have dark faces, not saying a light colored face isn't possible with it, and again I will have him tested in the next month to figure out this whole mess! LOL I do know one thing though, all of these horses are beautiful no matter what they are!
Here are a couple of different pictures with better lighting.


Once I got him I started brushing him a lot and a lot of the darkness he had turned light. It's not sun faded either because he was kept in a stall for quarantine for 2 weeks while this process of lightening happened. I do know that horses have different seasonal coat colors which can also attribute to this though. But part of me thinks some of his darkness came from a poor diet, if that is possible?
    08-30-2013, 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by Peppy Barrel Racing    
Here you go here's a real sooty buckskin

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I would still test him for At.

This would all be much better if whatever causes sooty was isolated and testable. Sigh. There isn't even a rabicano test, so sooty's probably a long way off.
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    08-30-2013, 03:47 PM
Not a real sooty buckskin then. I'll happily change my stance if I ever see a horse colored similarly tested as back and not brown by pet DNA.

Lacelynn, just as there is variation in bays, sorrels etc there is variation in dilutes. Your horse is classic smokey brown IMO. If you look at the example I posted, Rosalie's gold you can see just how strikingly similar your boy is. There is one photo listed with her as a foal by her buckskin dam showing just how very different the tone is.
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    08-30-2013, 03:58 PM
If you really want to know 100% sure his color, the test for brown is $40.

Also, for comparison, this is my mare. She only looks like this immediately after shedding her winter coat. It lasts a couple of weeks and she's back to her normal gold, which I will also post below. Her winter coat, which is usually the biggest giveaway of a brown or brown based horse, looks nothing like brown, so I have no solid reason to believe she carries At.

During this time, she just looks filthy in person. These pictures make it look decent.

Normal summer coat
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