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    03-08-2011, 06:38 PM
  #21
Foal
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Originally Posted by Poseidon    
Another note about sorrel: It's a colour that's only recognized by the AQHA and the APHA, so that's why it's usually only a Western term. Any other breed it would be called chestnut.
Actually, it's recognized by the TWHBEA as well. We had a mare that was registered as a sorrel and one that was registered as chestnut and the difference between them was the shades of red and one was more of a coppery hue than the other one.
     
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    03-08-2011, 07:57 PM
  #22
Weanling
I've heard chestnut horses with flaxen manes and tails called sorrel, but they are genetically the same as far as anyone has found. So I just call them all chestnut, but a lot of people like to be REALLY specific about their horse's color, whether for breeding reasons or just because.
For example, this would be sorrel:

And this chestnut:
     
    03-08-2011, 07:59 PM
  #23
Weanling
Here's another version I found

I guess it's red-hued vs. more brown-hued? I guess I don't know; it's so confusing!
     
    03-08-2011, 08:01 PM
  #24
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by sixlets    
Here's another version I found

I guess it's red-hued vs. more brown-hued? I guess I don't know; it's so confusing!

Interesting so according to that the redder they are they're more sorrel and the browner they are they're more chestnut.
Some of this stuff can get so confusing lol
     
    03-08-2011, 08:18 PM
  #25
Showing
LOL, it only really gets confusing when you do start trying to differentiate between the shades. What I call chestnut, others might call sorrel and vice versa. Basically, any horse with the genetics 'ee' is going to be some shade of red. Chestnut is a term that is a catch-all for all red horses and anytime you use the term "chestnut", the other person will know that you are talking about a red horse with ee genes. To get more descriptive is where the phrases "flaxen chestnut" or "liver chestnut" come into play .

Horses ranging from this


To this
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...le_2_years.JPG
(sorry for the link but the pic is huge when I copy it).

Are all included in the generic term "chestnut" whereas "sorrel" wouldn't necessarily fit the second horse.
     
    03-08-2011, 08:27 PM
  #26
Green Broke
I just have to say I love liver chestnuts. I used to know this little pony when he was a foal bright red but I saw a picture of him awhile ago (he'd be about 4/5 now) and he was a gorgeous deep liver chestnut.
     
    03-08-2011, 08:30 PM
  #27
Showing
Me too, we used to have a stud that was a deep liver chestnut, even darker than the one in the link I posted. The only way you could tell he wasn't black is by the faint copper sheen he had in bright sunlight. I wish I could have gotten at least one foal out of him, he was stunning.
     
    03-08-2011, 09:03 PM
  #28
Trained
Flaxen sorrels/chestnuts are have the flaxen modifier that only affects sorrels/chestnuts. Calling a flaxen chestnut a sorrel would be wrong if the "flaxen" was left out. It'd be like calling a silver bay just a bay.

What causes the differences in shade is unknown though. Same with any other horse colour, as in some buckskins are deep gold while others are buttermilk and bays come in a range of shades too.
     

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