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post #1 of 52 Old 12-19-2012, 10:06 PM Thread Starter
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Does anyone know about the stud: Smoke N Midnite Hawk? Would you consider breeding to him? I am looking to breed for a working cow horse.
Here is his pedigree: Smoke N Midnite Hawk Paint
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post #2 of 52 Old 12-20-2012, 03:38 AM
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I don't know anything about the stud but he looks frame Overo. Is your mare confirmed frame negative? I'd know that before breeding because of a chance for a lethal white foal. You don't want to pay a grand for a dead foal. Also I'd ask the owner what genetic diseases he's been tested for I didn't see it mentioned on the stallions site.
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post #3 of 52 Old 12-20-2012, 04:11 AM
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As an outsider, I can safely say that that's one good-looking horse. By looking at photos of his progeny he seems to throw nice solid types. But that's about all I can say, because I know next to nothing about breeding or what to look for in studs.
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I don't know anything about the stud but he looks frame Overo. Is your mare confirmed frame negative? I'd know that before breeding because of a chance for a lethal white foal. You don't want to pay a grand for a dead foal. Also I'd ask the owner what genetic diseases he's been tested for I didn't see it mentioned on the stallions site.
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What does "Frame Overo" exactly mean? I will most definately shoot the owners an email asking if he has any genetic diseases. Also, my filly has not had any tests along the lines of breeding, because I dont plan on breeding her for a while, but I want to learn as much as I can before doing so. On the Studs site, it does say live foal guarantee as well. Thanks for the info!
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As an outsider, I can safely say that that's one good-looking horse. By looking at photos of his progeny he seems to throw nice solid types. But that's about all I can say, because I know next to nothing about breeding or what to look for in studs.
Isnt he awesome looking? His offspring are all so nicely put together! Your input is greatly appreciated :)
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Frame is a color pattern that the stallion carries. A horse may also carry this pattern without any visual indicators (in other words be solid). Breeding Frame to Frame has a 25% chance of producing a foal that will live no longer than 72 hours and die in horrible pain from colic like symptoms due to an incomplete digestive track if they are not humanely euthanized.

The live foal guarantee that they have will not cover lethal foals... as they do stand and nurse...

Are you wanting to breed to him because of his color pattern? If so he only has a 50% chance of passing on the frame overo gene which is causing his patterning and there is no guarantee that the foal would be colored.
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He is a beautiful. You need to educate yourself on Overo lethal white syndrome and frame. Plus the cost of breeding the shots the mare needs. There's A LOT that goes into breeding.
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Frame is a color pattern that the stallion carries. A horse may also carry this pattern without any visual indicators (in other words be solid). Breeding Frame to Frame has a 25% chance of producing a foal that will live no longer than 72 hours and die in horrible pain from colic like symptoms due to an incomplete digestive track if they are not humanely euthanized.

The live foal guarantee that they have will not cover lethal foals... as they do stand and nurse...

Are you wanting to breed to him because of his color pattern? If so he only has a 50% chance of passing on the frame overo gene which is causing his patterning and there is no guarantee that the foal would be colored.
O wow, Does the possible lethal foal only happen frame overo to frame overo? My filly has not been tested for frame overo, but she is a solid buckskin paint. Both of her parents were tabianos. But like you said above, the frame gene can be carried in a solid paint? I am not wanting to breed to him because of his color, although its very pretty, but I am more concerned about the conformation.
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He is a beautiful. You need to educate yourself on Overo lethal white syndrome and frame. Plus the cost of breeding the shots the mare needs. There's A LOT that goes into breeding.
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I have bred before and dealt with mares in foal. My filly was born on my property so I know about breeding, just not about frame overo and such. I am learning, as you can see from the information above instead of simply going out and breeding my filly.
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Ok well make sure before breeding her you test her for frame regardless. That way you know for sure if you need to worry about OLWS. And remember even solid horses can carry frame it doesn't always show on their coat.
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