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        12-20-2012, 09:09 PM
      #21
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Peppy Barrel Racing    
    Basically what the owner said is her stud which you can tell by pattern is frame and has a 50% chance of passing frame to the colt. And if your mare is frame as well you have a 25% chance of that foal inheriting frame from both parents. Homozygous (to copies of frame from both parents) for frame inherited in a foal =100% death. Heterozygous (one copy) carried in a horse is not deadly but when frame is bred to frame you can end up with frame inherited from both parents getting a lethal foal and which will die shortly after.
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    So Frame is not a bad thing, unless you breed to another frame, then it could produce a O/O, correct?
         
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        12-20-2012, 09:11 PM
      #22
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by ksmith454    
    So Frame is not a bad thing, unless you breed to another frame, then it could produce a O/O, correct?
    You have 25% chance of producing O/O, which is lethal.
         
        12-20-2012, 09:15 PM
      #23
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    Frame Overo is the Lethal White gene, if your mare and the stallion are both Frame Overos, you have a 25% chance of a Lethal White foal. LWO - Lethal White Overo Testing

    A foal born with LWO has an incomplete digestive system and dies very painfully, usually within the first 72 hrs. I would want both horses tested before I would breed either one of them.

    I currently have a frame mare who is in foal to a frame stallion, the breeding was done by the mare's previous owner, and I am waiting to find out if we dodge the bullet or have to put the foal down when it's born. Not a happy waiting situation.

    Also, what is your mare's HYPP status? Does she have any lines to Impressive? Are you close to the stallion because I see he doesn't offer shipped semen.
    I will be praying that your future colt/filly will not have any issues... what a horrible waiting game!

    As far as HYPP, my filly has not been tested for it, but it sounds like a good idea. She does not have an Impressive breeding in her. Here is her pedigree:
    Paisleys Snow Drift Paint

    I am fairly close to the stallion, I live about 160 miles away, which I am happy about because I would like to go see the stud in person before making any final decisions.
         
        12-20-2012, 09:18 PM
      #24
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    You have 25% chance of producing O/O, which is lethal.
    Ok, Thank You. I am going to have my filly tested and I am hoping she will come out n/n, becuase then I would have 50% n/n, and 50% n/O for her offspring.
         
        12-20-2012, 09:21 PM
      #25
    Green Broke
    Is the stud shown as working cow horse? Any of his offspring shown ? Check the local shows etc and see what the reputation for offspring and winnings etc have been.
         
        12-20-2012, 09:24 PM
      #26
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ksmith454    
    I will be praying that your future colt/filly will not have any issues... what a horrible waiting game!

    As far as HYPP, my filly has not been tested for it, but it sounds like a good idea. She does not have an Impressive breeding in her. Here is her pedigree:
    Paisleys Snow Drift Paint

    I am fairly close to the stallion, I live about 160 miles away, which I am happy about because I would like to go see the stud in person before making any final decisions.
    If she has no lines to Impressive, then she's N/N. He's the only one that the mutation occurred in, at least that they've found. I would check for HERDA, I see a couple lines that go back to Poco Bueno. HERDA - Hereditary Equine Regional Dermal Asthenia

    AQHA offers a genetic disease panel for reduced cost to members, you might check with APHA to see if they do too. "AQHA is now offering a five-panel genetic test for HYPP, PSSM, MH, GBED and HERDA." That way you cover pretty much all of the problems that the stock type horses are known to carry.

    I'm praying that this foal dodges the LWO bullet too. The sire is also HYPP N/H, so just how much more genetic soup could they have dumped on one friggin foal? JEEEZ! SO, praying for live and praying for N/N too!
         
        12-20-2012, 09:25 PM
      #27
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stevenson    
    is the stud shown as working cow horse? Any of his offspring shown ? Check the local shows etc and see what the reputation for offspring and winnings etc have been.
    Yes, he has winnings in Cutting, Reining, Roping, Halter, and Working Cow Horse. Here is a video of lots of his amazing offspring.

         
        12-20-2012, 09:29 PM
      #28
    Trained
    Just out of curiosity are there any TRUE conformation pictures of this stud anywhere?
         
        12-20-2012, 09:32 PM
      #29
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    If she has no lines to Impressive, then she's N/N. He's the only one that the mutation occurred in, at least that they've found. I would check for HERDA, I see a couple lines that go back to Poco Bueno. HERDA - Hereditary Equine Regional Dermal Asthenia

    AQHA offers a genetic disease panel for reduced cost to members, you might check with APHA to see if they do too. "AQHA is now offering a five-panel genetic test for HYPP, PSSM, MH, GBED and HERDA." That way you cover pretty much all of the problems that the stock type horses are known to carry.

    I'm praying that this foal dodges the LWO bullet too. The sire is also HYPP N/H, so just how much more genetic soup could they have dumped on one friggin foal? JEEEZ! SO, praying for live and praying for N/N too!
    So, since she has no lines with impressive, would you still recommend the test? It is only $25, so I wouldnt mind doing it. Maybe instead I sould check out HERDA, and get her tested for that?

    I will look into the genetic disease panel. I might just do that and then I can get the whole darn thing figured out, lol!

    The HYPP is too bad! That poor little one! I am hoping your newbie will be a miracle!
         
        12-20-2012, 09:34 PM
      #30
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NdAppy    
    Just out of curiosity are there any TRUE conformation pictures of this stud anywhere?
    No, I have not found any, I plan on going to look at him in the future, so I will get a live view
         

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