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Sun bleaching in black tails...is it genetic?

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        07-23-2013, 03:57 PM
      #31
    Green Broke
    You can't tell if your horse's mineral ratios are balanced just from the hard feed- they eat way more hay/grass than anything else, so unless you know if those minerals are balanced in the forage, it's impossible to say if a hard feed is providing too much or too little of anything, especially in relation to other minerals.
         
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        07-23-2013, 04:45 PM
      #32
    Green Broke
    Ok this is starting to feel like an impossible task! I know our barn manager has the hay tested, so he probably has that info...not sure about the grass/soil, will have to check with him on that.
         
        07-24-2013, 10:57 AM
      #33
    Foal
    Re: Sunbleached Mane and Tail

    I have two horses with black manes and tails, and they used to bleach out to a rusty orange every summer. Ever since I switched from pelleted feed over to the Natural Vet's "Feed for Success" supplements (added to one cup of whole oats), they don't bleach out anymore. It's been four years, and their manes and tails are black as night. They're outside 24/7 with just a run-in, and they no longer get sunburned noses, either!
         
        07-24-2013, 11:13 AM
      #34
    Weanling
    Kind of irrelevant to your buckskin, but how do you think I feel with my black mare (left) looking like this!?! Lol

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    Sweat, water, fly spry are all enough to bleach a dark coat, mane, or tail. My mare sweats a ton during hard workouts and I also spray her down after each ride so the sweat & water combo has taken a toll on her coat this year. I wouldn't doubt that maybe that could be a factor for your mare, as well at the urine. I think genetics also play a big part in color and fading. I see many black horses that don't change or fade at all, while others are barely recognizable in the summer months.
         
        07-24-2013, 11:38 AM
      #35
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rcatheron    
    I have two horses with black manes and tails, and they used to bleach out to a rusty orange every summer. Ever since I switched from pelleted feed over to the Natural Vet's "Feed for Success" supplements (added to one cup of whole oats), they don't bleach out anymore. It's been four years, and their manes and tails are black as night. They're outside 24/7 with just a run-in, and they no longer get sunburned noses, either!
    Interesting! What's in the "Feed for Success" supplements?
         
        07-24-2013, 11:38 AM
      #36
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EnduranceLover6    
    Kind of irrelevant to your buckskin, but how do you think I feel with my black mare (left) looking like this!?! Lol

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    Sweat, water, fly spry are all enough to bleach a dark coat, mane, or tail. My mare sweats a ton during hard workouts and I also spray her down after each ride so the sweat & water combo has taken a toll on her coat this year. I wouldn't doubt that maybe that could be a factor for your mare, as well at the urine. I think genetics also play a big part in color and fading. I see many black horses that don't change or fade at all, while others are barely recognizable in the summer months.
    OH MY! You mean that's not a chestnut??
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        07-24-2013, 01:13 PM
      #37
    Foal
    Question Fading Black

    In my genetics book "Equine Genetics & Selection Procedures" (Equine Research publications, 1978) they talk about black vs. a fading black being genetic. Our first Orlov Trotter was a black, (so we have a real affection for the blacks of this breed). He used to become "bay" in the summer, especially if he sweated up a lot, and would have a red cast to his coat, mane and tail. However, our black Orlov mare does not fade, so I'm not sure if this trait follows certain bloodlines or not. Sometimes ammonia can affect color, especially in combination with sunshine...?
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        07-24-2013, 01:26 PM
      #38
    Trained
    As of right now there is no known genetic difference between non fading and fading black horses. Both are EE or E_.
         
        07-24-2013, 01:38 PM
      #39
    Foal
    Non fading black...

    My genetics book designates the non-fading black as genotype: B E D and fading black genotype: aaB, Ee, or aaB EE. So not the same.
         
        07-24-2013, 01:40 PM
      #40
    Trained
    Your genetics book is also extremely out of date.

    According to current genetic research there is nodifference between fading and non fading.
         

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