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    04-18-2012, 08:36 PM
SunnyDraco - I am of the firm belief that brown does exist in Arabians. They are my first love lol. However, the registry probably won't change their regulations - registries are slow like that.
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    04-18-2012, 08:51 PM
How many horses have had their agouti tested that looked like Princess or Diga? Did they come back with brown or bay results? I may have to rip out some of Princess's hair if no one else has tested one like her, just to satify my curiousity
    04-18-2012, 09:02 PM
Go for it!!
I'm so curious! Rick is the lighter shade of bay like yours, more golden bay with light colored flanks, between his rear, under his belly and slightly on his nose and around his eyes.
Diga, the darker one right (I'm on my phone) is for sure a brown to me!
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    04-18-2012, 09:11 PM
Originally Posted by FlyGap    
Diga, the darker one right (I'm on my phone) is for sure a brown to me!
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The one on the right (in the picture of the two foals) is Katie, Princess's daughter. Her sire is a homozygous solid black stallion, so the agouti has to come from Princess. We had registered Katie as a black bay half arab. She is a mahogany color in her summer coat and very dark in her winter coat
    04-18-2012, 11:26 PM
Diga looks bay and the rest are brown IMO.
    04-19-2012, 12:19 AM
Sorry Cocoa was the one I thought for sure was a brown, and possibly Katie.
All beautiful!
    04-19-2012, 01:41 AM
Green Broke
My first horse was a registered Arabian gelding. People on here have told me he was brown. I always thought of him as a dark bay, before I knew "brown" was a color.

He turned almost black in the winter, and was a dark, sooty looking "bay" in the summer.

So, I'm assuming it is in the Arabian breed.
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    04-19-2012, 02:26 AM
I'm about to reveal huge, uncharted depths of ignorance here, but I always thought that black ear-edges were the way to tell if you'd got a bay or a brown with black points...

Sigh. Apparently I have more to learn than I thought.
    04-19-2012, 02:33 AM
Browns and bays can both have black on all their points. The things you look for are the paler "soft" parts - the flank, muzzle, and often just behind the eye. These are areas that would be the last to bleach if it was sun fading causing it. Another thing to look for is huge changes from season to season - browns tend to change very dramatically from summer to winter, while bays don't change as much. If you have foal pictures there are also indicators in a foal coat that point to brown rather than bay - a brown foal will usually have a lot of "sootiness" along their top line, and be very dark along their crest area. They will also usually have more of the pale sooty colour on their legs that bay foals have - this becomes black as they shed - and it will often extend above the hocks/knees on brown foals.
    04-19-2012, 02:58 AM
So, Chilaa but also everyone else who clearly knows more than me, would the first horse on this page be a bay or a brown, then?

Show your Bay/Brown horses!

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