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Tobiano, Overo or Both?

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#1 ·
Does anyone know what paint pattern this mare is? She belongs to my mom and it's been kinda bugging me. At first I thought she was a tobiano but her paint markings aren't as smooth are your typical tobiano, they are more rough and jagged.
 

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I'd say tobiano, frame, and sabino (maybe on the sabino).

Just as a point of clarification, "overo" is a very broad, generic term meaning basically anything that isn't tobiano. It emcompasses frame, splash, and sabino.
 
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You're welcome. Sabino can be very subtle when mixed with other white genes. Most people think of the flashy arabs when they think sabino. We're pretty sure my best friend's filly is sabino (she has scattered roaning through her pitch black coat during the summer) and all she has is a 3" belly spot that you have to be under her to see, four white socks, and a blaze.
 
#12 ·
She's a handful. Most likely Arab/paint or quarab. Very much got the Arab opinion and smarts. Too bad she was almost ruined when my best friend got her. She'd been started under saddle as a long yearling and been ridden hard by her ex-boyfriend because the people who sold her to him told him she was a 6yo and he was too dumb to check. He couldn't figure out why she would blow up and was so hard to deal with, so instead of trying to figure it out, he tried to beat it and ride it out of her. She'll still bolt at a dead gallop if given half a chance to and she just turned 5. :sad:
 
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She was barely two when my best friend got her and we figure at that point, she'd been under saddle for at least a year. Her knees weren't even close to closed and she still had her baby teeth. She's been sitting for the majority of the last three years, just being a horse. She wasn't quite 14hh when my best friend got her and now she's pushing 14.3hh. She's bulked up a lot, too. She'll make a wonderful barrel horse or even a nice little hunter. She's got beautiful Arab movement. She just needs someone with time, patience, and knowledge to work through her issues. Unfortunately, that combination is in short supply in this area.
 
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Almost all tobianos have at least one other white expression gene in play as well. Many have 3 or 4 white genes at play but the other genes at play on this mare is not expressing enough to be considered "Tovero", she is classified as tobiano. But I strongly agree that she likely carries frame, which means if she were ever bred in the future, she needs to be tested for frame just to be sure. If he does carry frame, any potential stallion matchup must be tested no matter the white pattern or even lack of white (frame can hide on solid horses) before otherwise you risk a 1 in 4 chance of watching a full term beautiful baby die and no amount of vet care or even surgery will be able to save its life. That is the sad, harsh reality when breeding frame carriers.
 
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Thank you everyone!

Yogiwick it was surprisingly better than what I was told when it happened. I thought it was to the bone (in which case would have been really bad like 2 of our previous horses). It's just the skin pulled up and it bled. But it's taken care of and he's had his tetanus shot and everything needed to heal completely.
 
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