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    07-21-2013, 09:22 PM
  #21
Trained
Some smoky blacks don't fade at all, so that is not a reliable way to tell. There are two ways to be 100% certain of a horse being smoky black - testing, or one parent is a double cream dilute (cremello, perlino, smoky cream).
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    07-21-2013, 10:12 PM
  #22
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
Some smoky blacks don't fade at all, so that is not a reliable way to tell. There are two ways to be 100% certain of a horse being smoky black - testing, or one parent is a double cream dilute (cremello, perlino, smoky cream).
I have NO idea who Clem's sire and dam were. I don't even know which one was the Percheron, and which was the quarter horse! I'll just be happy with 'black of some sort,' haha.
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    07-21-2013, 10:47 PM
  #23
Cat
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Originally Posted by QtrBel    
Having had a smoky black I'd say it does express in the degree and evenness of fade. It isn't obvious at all when the winter coat comes in or off but give it a few days and the fade begins. Mine and the ones I've seen once fade starts can look like buckskins. Here is a pic of mine (tested EE Cr) This isn't the height of fade it is just begining - notice how even. His ear fluff is cream year round.
We had a fading black that faded like that, but my I haven't seen anywhere near that fading in my smoky black. He does have lighter eyes that look almost amber and punk-rocker bleached out tips and something "off" about his black color, but no where near the fading your horse shows there. He was tested Ee Cr.

Here he was last August:



And one attached from a few weeks ago showing his punk rocker tips.
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    07-22-2013, 10:17 AM
  #24
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Vidaloco    
I don't know much about genetics. I do know that Vida is a black with a silver gene. She will fade in the summer but it's more of a dappling than a fading. Her mane and tail are always black and she has no other markings anywhere.
A good site with fairly easy to understand genetic stuff- Starting Point

I don't think the dapples are a marker of what genetic color she is. But it is a sign she has a very healthy coat and diet!
     
    07-23-2013, 02:56 PM
  #25
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Vidaloco    
I thought I'd throw this one in there to show the color changes during the summer. All my horses are on fresh ground flax (I grind my own) year round. Not sure if the lack of Omega's makes much difference in the fade. We do have very hot very sunny summers though.
OMG the dapples! *dies* She's gorgeous!
     
    07-27-2013, 01:07 PM
  #26
Foal
For those that own black horses, what has been a common theme? I have noticed that people who breed for dun colored horses often confuse black offspring for a grulla or even an obvious bay for a zebra dun. These people claim that the horse has a "dorsal stripe" at certain angles which to them proves that the horse is a dark grulla (they forget that the dun gene lightens the coat). Sometimes the horse will have a buff colored inner ear which also proves to them that the horse is a grulla. However, to me, a dorsal stripe is a clearly defined line (so says color expert Dr. Sponenberg). Perhaps their black horse has a degree of counter shading?

What are your opinions and experiences of owning a black horse? Have you noticed similar things with your black horses?

     

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