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    03-09-2013, 10:43 PM
  #61
Trained
As I said before, definitely cremello IMO. I did offer a comparison of two horses to see if you could spot the cremello based on your "not golden" criteria, but you never answered.





According to your criteria, the top guy would be cremello, and the bottom guy white, yes?
     
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    03-09-2013, 10:53 PM
  #62
Yearling
I guess it depends on your definition of a white horse, I consider a horse that is completely white (pink skin, white fur) to be white, no matter what his genetics say (he could easily be genetically a grulla, but if there is no color (or very, very little), what difference does that make?), genetics would only matter if I was going to breed the horse. Now to be clear I do not think genetics are unimportant, but to me it's like a sorrel/chestnut w/ agouti, or a black w/ cream, a bay w/ red, etc. if I can't see it or don't plan to breed the horse, knowing this doesn't change the fact that the horse is sorrel/chestnut, black, or bay. A gray horse is gray, he may have started out bay/grulla/buckskin/dun/black/ or purple with green polka dots, in the end he's just gray. I feel the same about a white horse.

My neighbor had a white horse with brown eyes, she had a foal that was white w/ blue eyes, no idea what their genetics would say they were, I never saw any color at all on them. To me they were both just white.

So maybe there are no such thing as white horses, but there are horses that are white!

That said cremello is not white, cremello is cremello! I couldn't find the pics of Brisco, but I'm currious what's so bad about him being cremello? Knowing the color of his parents would be very helpful, but I'm guessing you don't know what color they are? Since the question has been asked atleast a few times and you haven't bothered to answer? My cremello looks VERY white! I can't destinguish any white markings because he's so white looking, but I've only owned him through winter, we'll see if his color darkens any when he sheds out for summer. But he is a cremello!

Of course I'm guilty as anyone when it comes to curriousity, if I was in a similar situation as Amberly, w/a horse others swore was one color and I was convienced was another, that could be easily proven w/ a test (and I had the cash) I think I'd have to have it done, just to either prove to myself and others that I was right, or to find out once and for all if I was wrong. I've had passing curriousities about my colt (destined to be a gelding), I know what color he is, but I wonder if he's homozygous for dun? Or black? I know my mare's color genetics, and there are times I'll see another horse that I really like, or is an attractive color (mare's or geldings generally), and I think, if I bred that horse to my mare the baby would be x_____ or x_______ or whatever, it's just fun!

Just my take on it.
     
    03-10-2013, 11:08 AM
  #63
Started
Well, just to clear things up a little - I'm an NOT tryin to convince anyone, haha! It's just what I think. Sorry for all the commotion I caused too, lol.
     
    03-10-2013, 11:57 AM
  #64
Weanling
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Originally Posted by haviris    
I guess it depends on your definition of a white horse, I consider a horse that is completely white (pink skin, white fur) to be white, no matter what his genetics say (he could easily be genetically a grulla, but if there is no color (or very, very little), what difference does that make?), genetics would only matter if I was going to breed the horse. Now to be clear I do not think genetics are unimportant, but to me it's like a sorrel/chestnut w/ agouti, or a black w/ cream, a bay w/ red, etc. if I can't see it or don't plan to breed the horse, knowing this doesn't change the fact that the horse is sorrel/chestnut, black, or bay. A gray horse is gray, he may have started out bay/grulla/buckskin/dun/black/ or purple with green polka dots, in the end he's just gray. I feel the same about a white horse.
The argument is not about your opinion, it is about the correct terminology of a phenotype demonstrated in what you would call "white".

The difference that it makes is that genetics tells you exactly what you are looking at, without question.
     
    03-10-2013, 12:08 PM
  #65
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
As I said before, definitely cremello IMO. I did offer a comparison of two horses to see if you could spot the cremello based on your "not golden" criteria, but you never answered.





According to your criteria, the top guy would be cremello, and the bottom guy white, yes?
Because she's not answering and I am curious, yes - VISUALLY the top looks Cremello and the bottom looks White. What are they really? Both Cremellos? I'm not a fan of Cremello horses, really, but I love the bottom guy...

I am dumb when it comes to horse genetics - I've always heard that a white horse can not exist. But now... True White an Dominant White... So much to take in! This thread is very interesting to me.
     
    03-10-2013, 12:19 PM
  #66
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I am not going to participate in this conversation anymore because honestly, I think it's silly. It's all my opinion yet some of you still try to (what seems like) prove me wrong. I am not proving anyone wrong, nor do I want to.
     
    03-10-2013, 12:29 PM
  #67
Green Broke
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    03-10-2013, 12:49 PM
  #68
Trained
Amberly then your best bet is to quit bringing up your "white" horse, more so in the genetics forum...
     
    03-10-2013, 12:50 PM
  #69
Started
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Originally Posted by amberly    
Well, just to clear things up a little - I'm an NOT tryin to convince anyone, haha! It's just what I think. Sorry for all the commotion I caused too, lol.
As a person who owns a dominant white or max sabino, a horse I see everyday. The is an obvious difference between my white horse and yours. I'll tell you again he is cremello, whether your accept it or not doesnt change it . Nothing wrong with a cremello I think it's cooler than an all white paint/pinto. There is a difference between your horses "white" and my horses white. It's obvious to us but I guess if you don't want to accept that he's cremello I guess it doesn't hurt anything lol.
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    03-10-2013, 12:55 PM
  #70
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Peppy Barrel Racing    
What colors were your horses parents? As for the definition of a dominant white and max sabino though they are mostly white MANY have some pigmented areas of black skin mottling where they have or had some pigments enter hair like on pepper you can see the mottled black skin on his bum, ears, shoulders. You can see examples in the pics I posted. Looking forward to more pics of your boy!
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From the pictures you posted of your boy, I'm guessing that's what my vet meant when he asked if Red's color was why I named him Red and that he wouldn't be surprised if he grayed out. Makes me sad to think about, I love his color. How long did it take for that to happen? Red has the same black spots on his bum.
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