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    12-04-2012, 03:00 AM
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twp
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Yeah, I see.. Why is that bay so greasy?.. or is that sweat?
     
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    12-04-2012, 03:03 AM
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Yeah, I see.. Why is that bay so greasy?.. or is that sweat?
The other two are both black.
     
    12-04-2012, 03:28 AM
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The other two are both black.
Hmmm.. I don't know, if it's my eyes, or Phone Screen.. but That last pic definitely looks brown, with a black mane, legs, and ear tips..

     
    12-04-2012, 03:39 AM
  #24
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Originally Posted by twp    
Hmmm.. I don't know, if it's my eyes, or Phone Screen.. but That last pic definitely looks brown, with a black mane, legs, and ear tips..

Nope, very definitely black with sun fading
     
    12-04-2012, 11:49 AM
  #25
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
And for those of us who are modern horse color ignorant, that means.....??

Is he champagne disguised as buckskin? Or is there a champagne gene playing peek-a-boo in there with me?
Does champagne and buckskin genes usually hang out together?
(Sounds goofy, I know but I know nothing of what makes champagne.)

Does this mean I get to tell folks he's incognito?

Thanks Muppetgirl... he's a keeper for sure.
Champange can appear in various ways. Green eyes are common for Champanges, and since he looks buckskin, that means he is probably a Amber Champange. Great info here: Equine Color Genetics look to the bottom section for champagnes.

Some amber champanges;




They are commonly mistaken for Buckskins.
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    12-04-2012, 11:59 AM
  #26
Weanling
Has anyone heard of the cremello morgan stallion Amberfields Luminescence?
He also has green eyes! I thought he might be a creme with a champagyne gene too but his owners don't specify whether or not he has been tested for it.



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    12-04-2012, 03:11 PM
  #27
Green Broke
I have a cremello with one blue/green and one green eye; he also has noticeable freckling around his eyes, dock, etc. I had him tested for champagne out of curiosity and he came back negative.





I believe OP's horse is amber champagne, no cream gene at all.
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    12-04-2012, 04:55 PM
  #28
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Oh how interesting!!
I wrote the below post this morning but it has been a crazy day and I couldn’t post until now.
It’s funny SunnyMeade because you posted some of the same pictures I found and thought…hmmmm.
While my boy’s tail is darker, his mane looks very similar to the top and bottom horse that you posted pics of.
I’m going to work on getting some better shots of it tomorrow if it isn’t raining.

Thank you verona1016 for your input. Your horse has very interesting eyes as well and the green one is the same color as the green in mine.

Anyway, here is I was thinking this morning when I wrote this:
I went poking around just a bit on champagne, and I am see quite a few pictures out there that look like Digby as being labeled “Champagne Buckskin” or Champagne Amber Buckskin“ and even a few called “Silver Buckskin.” (Not saying everything people label their animal as is technically correct, just what I found)
So....I’m good and confused now.

One think I have noticed is not many buckskins have eyes like Dig, they all seem to be normal dark or deep/dark amber colored.
So, is he (based upon looks) really a buckskin? Or is it correct to think that he is a buckskin with the expression of something else (champagne) that affected his eyes?
How might the splash and/or frame mentioned earlier play into things?

*lockwood loves this stuff, just has a harder time in her... um... "past the age of snappy college kids" wrapping her mind around this neat color stuff*
     
    12-04-2012, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
Anyway, here is I was thinking this morning when I wrote this:
I went poking around just a bit on champagne, and I am see quite a few pictures out there that look like Digby as being labeled “Champagne Buckskin” or Champagne Amber Buckskin“ and even a few called “Silver Buckskin.” (Not saying everything people label their animal as is technically correct, just what I found)
So....I’m good and confused now.

One think I have noticed is not many buckskins have eyes like Dig, they all seem to be normal dark or deep/dark amber colored.
So, is he (based upon looks) really a buckskin? Or is it correct to think that he is a buckskin with the expression of something else (champagne) that affected his eyes?
How might the splash and/or frame mentioned earlier play into things?

*lockwood loves this stuff, just has a harder time in her... um... "past the age of snappy college kids" wrapping her mind around this neat color stuff*
Let's explore a bit.

Champagne is a dilution gene. It works by diluting/lightening the horse. Champagnes have hazel/green eyes and, usually, freckled skin. The pictures I have found do not represent the entirety of the color's variation. Shade differences happen.

Chestnut + champagne = Gold Champagne
Bay + champagne = Amber Champagne
Brown + champagne = Sable Champagne
Black + champagne = Classic Champagne

You can also have a horse with one or two cream genes and get ___ Ivory Champagne. The combination of cream and champagne results in an even lighter color, with double diluted champagnes looking nearly white.

If your horse does have champagne, then he is probably not buckskin as Amber Ivory Champagne is a very light color. He would be an Amber Champagne (bay champagne) or Sable Ivory Champagne (brown cream champagne)...but that's my self-educated opinion. Take it with a grain of salt.
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    12-04-2012, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Lockwood    
One think I have noticed is not many buckskins have eyes like Dig, they all seem to be normal dark or deep/dark amber colored.
So, is he (based upon looks) really a buckskin? Or is it correct to think that he is a buckskin with the expression of something else (champagne) that affected his eyes?
Champagne can have an effect on the coat color very similar to that of cream in many cases, and since palomino (chestnut + cream) and buckskin (bay + cream) are much more common than their champagne "equivalents" those horses are sometimes misidentified or called strange things.

I'd guess that your horse is not truly a buckskin- he's most likely amber champagne (bay + champagne), though some people might (incorrectly) call that color champagne buckskin. A true champagne buckskin would be bay + champagne + cream, and would look a lot like Nightside's horse, probably with a slightly darker mane and tail (like a perlino- bay + cream + cream)

The light brown/hazel color of your horse's eyes are caused by the champagne gene. The blue portion of the one eye is likely caused by frame (or splash) pinto genes. There are plenty of partial blue eyes out there on "normal" dark eyes, yours just happens to have a lighter color eye to start with!
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