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        12-04-2012, 05:39 PM
      #31
    Green Broke
    Subbing this is very interesting
         
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        12-05-2012, 09:26 PM
      #32
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    Here are some mane and tail pics I took while waiting for the farrier this morning, although I must say in person they look more red/faded than these pics show.
    When I bought him a year ago, he had quite the long and fresh cut bridle path.
    Iíve let it grow out (which is why that area is so much shorter) but that part of the mane is only a year old now and you can see that the hair is every bit as faded looking/red as the rest of his mane and the color goes right up the hairs to the neck.
    The tail shots are the outer faded looking area, and then I fanned the tail a bit to show the inner dark area.
    The blanket pic was for another reason, but shows the mane from a few months ago.
    (Clearly he is not impressed with the idea of being a blanket model either.)

    So what do you guys think the general consensus is? Buckskin? Champagne? Something else?
    I donít think I know enough about this to have a valid opinion, but I need to call him something besides ďpurdy boy."
    (Please pardon crappy phone pics- my ďsmartĒ phone canít read lighting to save itís life.)

    His GQ pic-

    blanket.jpg


    Mane

    mane3.jpg

    mane4.jpg

    mane5.jpg

    mane6.jpg


    Tail

    tail ends.jpg

    tail inside.jpg
         
        12-05-2012, 09:47 PM
      #33
    Trained
    His hair doesn't look any different than my buckskin.
         
        12-05-2012, 10:34 PM
      #34
    Green Broke
    I'm not aware of any differences you'd be able to see in the mane/tail of an amber champagne vs a buckskin, or in the way they'd fade. How about his legs- are they dark black, or are they a little bit lighter (like a chocolate color)? Or his skin- does he have any skin that you'd describe as "pink with abundant freckling"?

    If you want to know for certain you could always DNA test him (you're then required to update us when you get the results )
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        12-05-2012, 10:55 PM
      #35
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    Originally Posted by verona1016    
    I'm not aware of any differences you'd be able to see in the mane/tail of an amber champagne vs a buckskin, or in the way they'd fade. How about his legs- are they dark black, or are they a little bit lighter (like a chocolate color)? Or his skin- does he have any skin that you'd describe as "pink with abundant freckling"?

    If you want to know for certain you could always DNA test him (you're then required to update us when you get the results )
    If I knew where to send a vial (or whatever sample needed) I just might do that.
    His legs are a faded black around the fetlock, but as you move up the cannon bone towards the knee they start to fade to less than chocolate, and on the rears they fade even more going towards the hocks.
    Not at all sharply black like I expected.
    His skin has no mottles that I can find. Not sheath, arm pits, muzzle, or around eyes. No pink skin except for his white sock and facial markings. However, I will say I don't know the skin color under his random white body spots because I haven't checked.

    So, just the green in his eyes is all I have so far and possible red in his black (see below.... I'm trying to "play" genetics here, but don't know the horsie rules yet. )

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by twp    
    Wow, that horse has THE most Beautiful eyes I have ever seen in my whole life!!..This is what I found..
    The cream gene (C Cr ) is an incomplete dominant allele with a distinct dosage effect. The DNA sequence responsible for the cream colors is the cream allele, which is at a specific locus on the MATP gene. Its general effect is to lighten the coat, skin and eye colors. When one copy of the allele is present, it dilutes "red" pigment to yellow or gold, with a stronger effect on the mane and tail, but does not dilute black color to any significant degree. When two copies of the allele are present, both red and black pigments are affected; red hairs still become cream, and black hairs become reddish. A single copy of the allele has minimal impact on eye color, but when two copies are present, a horse will be blue-eyed in addition to a light coat color.
    The bolded portion is why I posted mane and tail pics. When I looked around at the amber champagnes/"buckskin" champagnes they all had the red streaks in the manes and tails like Dig does, and I didn't know if it was helpful to post his, so I did.
         
        12-05-2012, 11:15 PM
      #36
    Green Broke
    Horse Tests

    That is where to test. You pull a bunch of mane hairs, make sure they have the follicle still, and send it in. Sets you back $25
         
        12-05-2012, 11:16 PM
      #37
    Weanling
    Anyone remember these lyrics? "The Tennessee stud was long and lean, the color of the sun and his eyes were green" lol pretty sure I'm dating myself
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        12-05-2012, 11:19 PM
      #38
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by redpony    
    Anyone remember these lyrics? "The Tennessee stud was long and lean, the color of the sun and his eyes were green" lol pretty sure I'm dating myself
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    *coughs* yes you are ... Johnny Cash ;) Althought I want to say someone did sing it before him. I'm just not remember who it was.

    To post on the subject ... I'm really enjoying these color variations. Not that the common brown eyes on a horse aren't pretty, they are! But it's nice to see some different colors too.
         
        12-05-2012, 11:23 PM
      #39
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lockwood    
    The bolded portion is why I posted mane and tail pics. When I looked around at the amber champagnes/"buckskin" champagnes they all had the red streaks in the manes and tails like Dig does, and I didn't know if it was helpful to post his, so I did.
    Ah, I see That quote is discussing the cream gene, which is an "incomplete dominant"- basically having two copies of the gene has a more profound effect than one copy. On a bay base color, one copy of the gene would give you a buckskin (looking very similar to your horse), two copies would give you a perlino (looking very similar to my horse, almost white, but with a slightly darker/reddish tinge to his mane).

    Champagne, on the other hand, is a simple dominant. Having two copies of the gene looks exactly the same as only having one.

    ETA- And having one champagne and one cream looks very similar to having two cream genes; again, you'd have an almost white horse.
         
        12-05-2012, 11:29 PM
      #40
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BBBCrone    
    *coughs* yes you are ... Johnny Cash ;) Althought I want to say someone did sing it before him. I'm just not remember who it was.

    To post on the subject ... I'm really enjoying these color variations. Not that the common brown eyes on a horse aren't pretty, they are! But it's nice to see some different colors too.


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