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        11-22-2012, 07:05 PM
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    What Color?

    Can you get a brown foal out of 2 black parents? The sire is homozygous for black and the dam is heterozygous. I was expecting a black foal from them but the foal is dark chocolate colored with tan at the muzzle and around the eye. Also all the other soft points like between the thighs, point of the buttock, armpits, etc. are all like a fawn or creme color.
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        11-22-2012, 08:04 PM
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    Trained
    Have you got pictures of the dam and sire? Being homozygous for black does not guarantee a "black" foal, it guarantees a black based colour. Bay and brown are both black based.
         
        11-22-2012, 08:28 PM
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    Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
    Have you got pictures of the dam and sire? Being homozygous for black does not guarantee a "black" foal, it guarantees a black based colour. Bay and brown are both black based.

    Yes I do have pics of both sire and dam. I am not able to post the sires pic as it is used for his advertisement, but he is jet black. Here is a link to his website. I have attached a pic of the dam. There was even an article in the APHA journal that states 2 black horses cannot have a brown foal. This is what has be scratching my head. Is this filly a black with the mealy/ pangrea gene? I know they say it typically does not happen in black horses but I guess you never know.
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        11-22-2012, 08:29 PM
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    There is no link there?

    Does the mare get sunfaded in weird places, such as under her tail and in her flank?
         
        11-22-2012, 08:29 PM
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    Foal
    Opps. Sorry here is the link to his website. Wix.com AllAroundShowHorses created by mystallions2 based on Real Estate Biz
         
        11-22-2012, 08:39 PM
      #6
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
    There is no link there?

    Does the mare get sunfaded in weird places, such as under her tail and in her flank?
    I have attached a pic of the mare when she is sun faded. She still looks very black just not as deep black.
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        11-22-2012, 08:51 PM
      #7
    Trained
    Do either of the parents develop the lighter areas of brown with their winter coats? The reason I ask is because there is a mare at my barn that I honestly thought was black up until she got her winter coat growing in and she is the darkest brown I have seen. She still looks almost entirely black, but her muzzle is very light, as is her flank.
         
        11-22-2012, 08:59 PM
      #8
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Poseidon    
    Do either of the parents develop the lighter areas of brown with their winter coats? The reason I ask is because there is a mare at my barn that I honestly thought was black up until she got her winter coat growing in and she is the darkest brown I have seen. She still looks almost entirely black, but her muzzle is very light, as is her flank.
    I know the dam does not develop lighter areas in the winter, but I am not sure about the sire.
         
        11-22-2012, 09:07 PM
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    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Poseidon    
    Do either of the parents develop the lighter areas of brown with their winter coats? The reason I ask is because there is a mare at my barn that I honestly thought was black up until she got her winter coat growing in and she is the darkest brown I have seen. She still looks almost entirely black, but her muzzle is very light, as is her flank.
    I know the dam does not develop lighter areas in the winter, but I am not sure about the sire.
         
        11-22-2012, 09:09 PM
      #10
    Trained
    Wish there were some better pics of the stud... He supposedly sired another brown/dark bay foal off of another black mare (according to allbreed) but I can't verify those pics either.
         

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