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  • Smoky Buckskin brindle
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    02-20-2012, 05:44 PM
  #11
Weanling
Don't know the color of his parents, bought of a lady who got him down south asked her and she doesn't know.
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    02-20-2012, 06:24 PM
  #12
Yearling
This site has a good reference on the different colors :) From the description the color looks to be a brown dun but you could have a mix of a dun and buckskin given that the markings on the legs are solid and not striped.

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    02-20-2012, 07:02 PM
  #13
Green Broke
Dun. I have a "buckskin " colored norwegian, and from I have seen they are caleld brown duns. I also have a red dun 1/4 mare and her 6 yr old son whom is also a brown dun. Duns have the dorsal stripe.
     
    02-20-2012, 10:16 PM
  #14
Weanling
I've always heard horses with line backs called dun, leg stripes or not. His particular color I've heard referred to as feral dun because its a genetic throwback to the prezwalski horses. My source seemed to know what she was talking about, she also said it was a discouraged colour among Minis because it was viewed as not a true buckskin and reverting to a less domesticated gene type, if that's possible.
     
    02-20-2012, 10:39 PM
  #15
Trained
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Originally Posted by Fargosgirl    
I've always heard horses with line backs called dun, leg stripes or not. His particular color I've heard referred to as feral dun because its a genetic throwback to the prezwalski horses. My source seemed to know what she was talking about, she also said it was a discouraged colour among Minis because it was viewed as not a true buckskin and reverting to a less domesticated gene type, if that's possible.
Where to start lol.

Dun is a gene that causes the horse's base colour to dilute. It leaves the dorsal stripe. However, dorsals can be caused by other things, such as countershading.

This colour is not a "genetic throwback". The przewalski horse is thousands of generations back in the modern horse's bloodlines. We don't have "throwbacks". Dun is a recognised gene within the modern horse population. This horse is probably a plain brown horse under it (brown, not bay). The addition of the dun gene dilutes the coat colour.

Also, it's not a true buckskin. That's about the only thing your friend has right. That's because buckskin is caused by the CREAM gene (the same gene that causes palomino, cremello, perlino, smoky cream, brownskin, smoky black). Dun is caused by the DUN gene. They are separate genetic occurances. Of course a dun is not a true buckskin.
     
    02-20-2012, 10:44 PM
  #16
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
Where to start lol.

Dun is a gene that causes the horse's base colour to dilute. It leaves the dorsal stripe. However, dorsals can be caused by other things, such as countershading.

This colour is not a "genetic throwback". The przewalski horse is thousands of generations back in the modern horse's bloodlines. We don't have "throwbacks". Dun is a recognised gene within the modern horse population. This horse is probably a plain brown horse under it (brown, not bay). The addition of the dun gene dilutes the coat colour.

Also, it's not a true buckskin. That's about the only thing your friend has right. That's because buckskin is caused by the CREAM gene (the same gene that causes palomino, cremello, perlino, smoky cream, brownskin, smoky black). Dun is caused by the DUN gene. They are separate genetic occurances. Of course a dun is not a true buckskin.

If I was to get him color tested, would I just test for Red Factor + Agouti and Dun Zygosity ?
     
    02-21-2012, 12:06 AM
  #17
Trained
I would be interested to seem him tested for agouti (the one that tests for brown), dun and cream. There is no doubt in my mind that he is black based, so a red test would be telling you something you already know.
     
    02-21-2012, 11:57 AM
  #18
Foal
I really want to know what color he is, what a mystery! He is gorgeous! Love his coloring!
     
    02-22-2012, 11:30 PM
  #19
Yearling
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Buckskin
A true colored buckskin should be the color of tanned deerhide with black points. Shades may vary from yellow to dark gold. Points (mane, tail, legs) can be dark brown or black. Buckskin is clean of any smuttiness. Guard hairs which are buckskin colored grow through the body coat up over the base of the mane and tail.


Dun
Dun is an intense color with a hide that has an abundance of pigment in the hairs. The dun color is a duller shade than buckskin and may have a smutty appearance. Most dun horses have dark points of brown or black. Dun horses sport the "dun factor" points which include dorsal and shoulder stripes, leg barring, etc.

Grulla
Grulla is also an intense color. The body color can be mouse, blue, dove or slate colored, with dark sepia to black points. Grulla (pronounced grew-yah) has no white hairs mixed in the body hairs. Grulla horses have the dorsal and shoulder stripes, and leg barring.

Red Dun
The Red Dun will vary in shades of red, in the range of peach to copper to rich red. In all shades, the accompanying points will be darker red or chestnut and be in contrast to a lighter body color. Red Dun must have a definite dorsal stripe to be eligible. The dorsal stripe will usually be dark red and predominant. Leg barring and shoulder stripes are common. Horses with faint dorsal stripes that do not appear on photos may be denied registration.

Brindle Dun
A different and unique body coloration with stripes appearing over the barrel of the body and most, if not all, the dun factor characteristics. Brindle Duns show up in the Netherlands and they are referred to as an ancient dun color. The peculiar body markings can appear in the form of tear drops or zebra stripes.
A true colored buckskin should be the color of tanned deerhide with black points. Shades may vary from yellow to dark gold. Points (mane, tail, legs) can be dark brown or black. Buckskin is clean of any smuttiness. Guard hairs which are buckskin colored grow through the body coat up over the base of the mane and tail.

From the IBHA website
     
    02-22-2012, 11:31 PM
  #20
Yearling
K, that didn't work like I thought it would. But you get the idea:)
     

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