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    08-25-2011, 07:37 PM
  #21
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She looks like a normal bay to me. It is normal for the manes and tails of bay Appys to turn brown prior to starting to color out white. To confirm it, look at her mane and tail - there should be actual black hairs interspersed here and there. Bay Appys usually retain a few black hairs in their mane their entire life.

If you can't find any black hairs at all, I'm as clueless as everyone else, but my money is still on bay...(reminds me of "I'm going to bet on the bay...)...
     
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    08-26-2011, 08:31 AM
  #22
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Here is baby BF photos to confuse matters more.

And yes, that is her mother.
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    08-26-2011, 09:36 AM
  #23
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Face - Why Chiilaa is saying brown is because in this picture you can see the "mealy" or lightening around the muzzle. -
     
    08-26-2011, 10:29 AM
  #24
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And the baby shots just cement it in for me. Look at that dark topline - that is a brown baby
     
    08-26-2011, 11:06 AM
  #25
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Originally Posted by NdAppy    
Face - Why Chiilaa is saying brown is because in this picture you can see the "mealy" or lightening around the muzzle. -
Perhaps, but I remain unconvinced - this is one of those cases I would have to see in person to make a determination other than bay. Lighting and colors play tricks in photos and lots of Appys have multiple base color shades, and many muzzles appear lighter due to the hair being sparse. There aren't many true brown Appys around that I am aware of, and I have never seen one personlly. Of course with Appys being hard to figure to begin with, there may be browns around that are assumed to be bay, which would be no surprise. Brown is possible of course, but I can't make that determination from those pictures...
     
    08-26-2011, 07:26 PM
  #26
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This photo is the one that I am talking about. Bay babies are almost always clear and bay. Brown babies are usually darker, and have the 'sooty' look along their topline, most particularly over their withers.

If the hair was sparse around the muzzle, I would not expect it to appear lighter. If anything, I would expect it to look darker, as you would be able to see more of the dark skin around the muzzle. As well as that, you can see the paler brown in another soft spot - behind the eye.
     
    08-26-2011, 08:21 PM
  #27
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
This photo is the one that I am talking about. Bay babies are almost always clear and bay. Brown babies are usually darker, and have the 'sooty' look along their topline, most particularly over their withers.

If the hair was sparse around the muzzle, I would not expect it to appear lighter. If anything, I would expect it to look darker, as you would be able to see more of the dark skin around the muzzle. As well as that, you can see the paler brown in another soft spot - behind the eye.
Depends upon what color the skin is - a lot of Appys have light/pink/mottled noses.

I think the defining variable is probably the "dorsal" - it looks dark in the pictures, but there is not a really good enough view of it to compare with the base coat color. If the dorsal is black or near black - substantially darker than the base, he is likely brown. You alluded to that earlier, but I just don't see a definitive picture - at least not definitive enough to come to a reasonably dependable conclusion.

Now all this has got me wondering why ApHC doesn't recognize brown as a base color. I had never thought about it before because I have never been around a brown Appy for it to have come up...
     
    08-27-2011, 07:42 AM
  #28
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So you want a photo of her back?
It is mainly white at this point so I am not sure how it would help.

I do not think I have any baby photos that clearly show her back. Will look.


ETA - Nope. No baby photos that show her back any better than what you already have.
     
    08-27-2011, 08:08 AM
  #29
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
So you want a photo of her back?
It is mainly white at this point so I am not sure how it would help.

I do not think I have any baby photos that clearly show her back. Will look.


ETA - Nope. No baby photos that show her back any better than what you already have.
You don't need much dorsal - just enough below the end of the mane with the base coat showing in the same picture to define the relationship of the hair color in the dorsal to the base coat color - or you can just tell us. If the dorsal hair is markedly darker than the base coat, the base color should be brown as has been suggested. If it is the same color as the base coat or only slightly darker, he would most likely be bay...
     
    08-27-2011, 09:07 AM
  #30
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I will have to look. I have not noticed enough to remember.

Right now she is covered with bumps so it might be an interesting photo. She looks like the annoyed yellow jackets and her had a disagreement.
     

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