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        02-20-2011, 03:02 PM
      #11
    Trained
    A horse that is grey can be any color under that grey. Grey essentially wipes out color.

    His face screams grey. His base color is buckskin, and he has the grey gene modifier, making him a buckskin that is going grey.

    Every grey horse "greys" at a different rate. Some are completely white by the time they are two, some never turn completely white no matter what their age. The gene acts different on every horse. There is no way to predict how exactly a horse will grey out (i.e. Turn fleabitten, turn steel, colored or be grey dappled).
         
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        02-20-2011, 03:04 PM
      #12
    CCH
    Weanling
    If he has been that exact color basically from birth, I'm inclined to say he might be some sort of sabino especially with the white leg & face markings. However, my first thought after just looking at the photos and not knowing what OP said about him, I was going to say Rose Grey. I honestly don't see buckskin in this horse at all.
    OP, what color are his sire & dam? If one of them is grey, it would be a huge sign that he is in fact grey. It is a bit hard to tell from the photos how much color is his and how much is from the dirt though.
         
        02-20-2011, 03:06 PM
      #13
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NdAppy    
    A horse that is grey can be any color under that grey. Grey essentially wipes out color.

    His face screams grey. His base color is buckskin, and he has the grey gene modifier, making him a buckskin that is going grey.

    Every grey horse "greys" at a different rate. Some are completely white by the time they are two, some never turn completely white no matter what their age. The gene acts different on every horse. There is no way to predict how exactly a horse will grey out (i.e. Turn fleabitten, turn steel, colored or be grey dappled).
    Thanks, got it!
         
        02-20-2011, 03:06 PM
      #14
    Foal
    Does anyone think it's possible he's a Rose Grey or something like that?
         
        02-20-2011, 03:10 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Rose grey... purple grey... he's still is considered in fact a grey haha
         
        02-20-2011, 03:14 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Well thanks everyone for your help! I am really excited to see how he turns out. These pics are from fall before he got his winter coat, I am going to see him again on Monday, and will try to get some pics of him in his winter coat, who knows what color he is with he winter coat lol. I can't wait to see what he turns out to be like :)
         
        02-20-2011, 04:35 PM
      #17
    Super Moderator
    We have had at least one gray stallion for 45 years -- maybe a little longer. We have about 30 gray horses right now.

    ALMOST all of them are born a different color. That color is also genetically carried by them and can be produced. If the gray gene is also present with this base color, then the gray will always 'trump' the base color. The gray stallion we have now is a Driftwood bred horse that was foaled Grullo, turned a blue / buckskin dun (with dorsal stripe, zebra leg stripes and dark shoulder patches.) He is now white (at 12) with a very faint dorsal stripe that will probably be gone when he sheds this spring.

    He sires buckskins, duns, and grays that are not born dun. At least 1/2 of his duns and grullos turn gray.

    You can tell a horse that is going to turn gray in a couple of ways.

    1) Even as foals, most will have a few gray hairs in their upper eyelids. This is easiest to see in the ones that are foaled sorrel, bay and brown. Much harder to see in the buckskins and duns.

    2) When they start to get gray tails, they WILL turn gray.

    This horse has a gray tail. A buckskin or dun would not. The tail would be black unless the horse was a red dun in which case the tail would be solid red.

    I have seen legs stay black for a long time, but when the tail starts to gray out, the horse is a gray.

    We used to fight with the AQHA all of the time. I finally had a letter put in our stallion's file that said he was born grullo, turned dun and finally turned gray. They will NOT register a foal as gray that does not have a registered gray parent. It NEVER is carried recessively like sorrel it. So, when our stallion was registered as gray, they did not want to register his grullo and dun foals without having us pay for DNA testing. I finally sent photos of him and 1, at 2, at 3 and after he had turned obviously gray. [He had a gray sire and a dun dam.] So now, no one has to have DNA tested to register their foal.
         
        02-20-2011, 05:43 PM
      #18
    Foal
    I agree that he is a buckskin that is going grey.
         
        02-20-2011, 09:19 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CCH    
    If he has been that exact color basically from birth, I'm inclined to say he might be some sort of sabino especially with the white leg & face markings. However, my first thought after just looking at the photos and not knowing what OP said about him, I was going to say Rose Grey. I honestly don't see buckskin in this horse at all.
    OP, what color are his sire & dam? If one of them is grey, it would be a huge sign that he is in fact grey. It is a bit hard to tell from the photos how much color is his and how much is from the dirt though.
    rose grey.....right! I couldn't think of the word haha
         
        02-20-2011, 11:05 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Bear in mind that, no matter what fancy name you attach to a shade of grey, they all end up the same with minor variations such as bloody shoulders and flea bites. Being a three year old and that light already, I imagine he might be a white grey fairly early in life, maybe even before he is a ten year old.
         

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