But he's a QH, so does the term blanket still apply? And the mare is QH as well. Posted via Mobile Device
Appaloosa is a breed as well as a variety of white patterns. It's like Paint and pinto, except without a different word to differentiate. There are solid Paints, and pinto coloring in numerous breeds. Likewise with the Appaloosa breed and appaloosa color.
I don't see varnish roan on the foal yet. Doesn't mean it won't show up later in life, of course. (Maybe I missed the part of the conversation where someone pointed it out, though?)
The text descriptions on ApHC's website are sadly incomplete. Compare their description of red roan to chestnut:
Description: White with spots over back and hips.
Face Markings: Star, stripe and snip.
Leg Markings: Stocking left hind, partial stocking right fore, partial half-stocking right hind.
They don't even mention the varnish roan characteristics in the red roan blurb. As far as I can tell, that whole little box on their website has no point at all. It's listed under "Base coat colors" but doesn't describe anything about the base color for any of the "examples."
No, you didn't miss anything. It's just as a long time Appy breeder, I recognize the varnish pattern in foals when most people don't. Plus, the vast majority of blanketed Appys are also varnish roans - it is not rare, but it is unusual, for a blanket Appy to hold its full base color for life.
And you are absolutely right - ApHC's color and pattern descriptions are wacko, which is why many, many Appys are registered incorrectly. Appys are color and pattern nightmares to begin with, and ApHC certainly hasn't made it any easier - nor is it any easier because varnish roan isn't always intuitively obvious at birth like with this foal...as smguidotti mentioned, it might not show up for years - I have had a couple that didn't start varnishing out till they were 5...
Remember remnic in spots Face? I know there was a big upheaval about him. As far as I know his dam did not start to varnish until she was older as well.
Haha...Yup - that's why I have to say "sincerely doubt" rather than "absolutely not". But you know me, and know from previous discussions elsewhere I will NEVER believe there is not an Appy in Reminic's woodpile. We both know there are fence jumpers and dishonest breeders, and know that before DNA filing a lot of horses were misregistered. I forget how far back they went with Reminic, but if I remember it was only 1 or maybe 2 generations - DNA was probably unavailable back any farther.
I am just not a believer in spontaneous LP/PATN mutations. Obviously it has happened at least once sometime in the last 55 million years, but the odds are a bazillion to one...with those kind of odds if it looks like an Appy, it is probably an Appy...
As with anyone else that has perused this thread, I'll believe he's a purebred QH when I see the proof. But the owner is adamant that the mare is QH.
The foal's sire is sired by Hickory Bar Bully. He is a beautiful horse, shouldn't be a stud, but he's well conformed, athletic and an amazing temperament. So either way, this foal will be a keeper. I am thrilled to be able to watch him grow up. Posted via Mobile Device
Face you have a good point. But if you had to guess, what would you guess my horses breed in pic below is?? "No cheating and looking at my profile, ha ha!" But guess..
Lins very cute foal! Your so lucky!!!