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        09-23-2011, 06:51 PM
    I agree she isn't a grulla, have had one of those. Her lighter areas are just on the tips of the hair, don't go all the way down to her skin, that part is blackish.

    She turned 3 the end of April and she's about 16.2ish in the front, taller in her rear.

    She actually does have a darker dorsal stripe above her tail which doesn't make sense because neither of her parents are a dun?
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        09-23-2011, 07:07 PM
    I know I am wrong in my termonology, but if someone told me they had a brown roan, I would picture this horse's color.
        09-23-2011, 07:18 PM
    She actually does have a darker dorsal stripe above her tail which doesn't make sense because neither of her parents are a dun?
    That is most likely countershading. It is common on brown horses and I can even make out a faint one on my blue roan (tested Ee aa) when he fades a bit in the summer. It is thought to be a type of camouflage but it is not known what causes it. Usually the dorsal is "smudged looking" and tends to fade out before the withers.

    A roan has white hair intermixed into the coat.

    This is a fairly good example of a brown roan.
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        09-23-2011, 07:47 PM
    The horse in the link is what I would think of when someone said they had a red roan. Sorry I am not a color person, even though I own paints, in fact I like sorrels & bays the best. Odd huh?
        09-23-2011, 09:27 PM
    Here he is in his winter coat. http://colorgenetics.info/equine/gal...690_n.jpg.html

    You can see the base color better. Traditionally, at least with the AQHA, red roan was used to designate both bay and chestnut bases. Now, if I remember correctly they have a category for bay roan with red being reserved for chestnut bases. The best way, would probably be to use black roan, bay roan, and chestnut roan but I still use blue and *blush* at times even "strawberry".

    ...I think I was responsible for this thread getting very off track...
        09-23-2011, 10:27 PM
    We have neighbors that breed quarter horses and have a lot of strawberry and bay roans, love watching the babies as they change! She definitely isn't a roan, no white anywhere except on her forehead.

    Well, can she be a smoky black with her parent's coloring?
        09-24-2011, 12:21 AM
    From what I've read up on Grullas.... that's possibly what that mare is.
    The caption of this picture says "Three Grullas and a grey"

    Here's my source: Welcome to Glacier Ridge

    My answer sticks. I think she's a dark roan or a dark grulla. Specially with mention of that dorsal stripe and noticing the mottled pattern upon her.
        09-24-2011, 02:27 AM
    1) She is not grulla because neither of her parents are dun. She also looks absolutely nothing like a grulla.

    2) She is not a roan because their of her parents are a roan.

    With her parents what they are, she has to options of being black, bay, chestnut, or brown. She is obviously not a chestnut, so that's out. I would also rule out bay, which leaves black or brown.

    After looking at the pictures again, I would say she's just a very sunfaded black. If she were brown, the lighter points would be in "softer" areas like the elbow and flank. However, they are in spots that get hit with direct sunlight, particularly her shoulder and hip.

    The dorsal stripe is countershading. It's like when you take a marker and color over a spot twice. It gets darker. Same concept. As in two sides of the horse's color are overlapping. It makes sort of stripe, but not a true dorsal stripe.
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        09-24-2011, 02:40 AM
    So, if I blanketed her or kept her inside during the hotter months, she'd stay darker?
        09-24-2011, 02:46 AM
    Yep. A light turnout sheet will help with the sunbleaching if she's outside during the day or I know some show horses that sunbleach easily are stalled during the day and turned out at night.

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