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        12-29-2011, 01:21 PM
      #11
    Yearling
    If I may pick your brains again, here are pictures of one of my Icelandic studs and his mom could you please tell me what patterns you see in them. Stud is a true black and white with a mostly white belly, mom is listed as a brown, but she has what we call grullo and they call silver dapple but she's not dappled but has some roan. She has thrown a palomino solid with a white dun stripe on his back, a buckskin tobi, a palomino tobi, the black and white, a smokey black with color only on his head and his butt, and a solid sorrel with no white all from a solid sorrel stud. And should I be worried about LWO in my Icelandics I have never heard of it in them, so I guess my question is, is it a pattern thing or a breed thing? Foal in the picture was about an hour old. Thank you.
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        12-29-2011, 04:35 PM
      #12
    Yearling
    They are Tobiano. I don't know if Frame is present in the breed or not, someone else will have to comment on that.
         
        12-29-2011, 04:40 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    Thanks, that's what I thought, but then the white does not go across the back in the little stud but it does on his neck.
         
        12-29-2011, 04:55 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    White over the back isn't a requirement for Tobiano, it's just a common trait.
         
        12-29-2011, 07:13 PM
      #15
    Trained
    I don't believe Icelandics have frame at all
         
        12-29-2011, 07:29 PM
      #16
    Yearling
    I'm not sure I know they have what they call splashed white. I have seen a picture of a blue eyed foal in Iceland, when I was looking to import another mare.
         
        12-29-2011, 07:56 PM
      #17
    Trained
    Splash yes, frame no.
         
        12-31-2011, 02:56 PM
      #18
    Foal
    If the sire has been tested negative for LWO then there's no need to test the mare. Since the sire is negative for it, there is no way that the foal will be a Lethal White Overo. I seriously doubt that the mare is even a carrier of frame. Unless the solid parent was a frame carrier and it passed the frame down to the mare in question. But, since neither are carrying agouti, the foal can't be either brown or bay based. It will either be black, sorrel, grullo or red dun solid with a greater percentage of the foal being tobiano, since both parents are.
         
        12-31-2011, 03:10 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    Thanks, I really don't care what color or pattern as long as it turns out healthy, and the sire passes his disposition down the mare can be very nasty at times, lol, but I think part of that is she's the tallest girl I have right at 16 hands and still growing, she's making moves to take over the herd of 2 mares and a weanling filly. Hopefully breeding her will calm her down.
         
        12-31-2011, 07:11 PM
      #20
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kywalkers2012    
    If the sire has been tested negative for LWO then there's no need to test the mare. Since the sire is negative for it, there is no way that the foal will be a Lethal White Overo. I seriously doubt that the mare is even a carrier of frame. Unless the solid parent was a frame carrier and it passed the frame down to the mare in question. But, since neither are carrying agouti, the foal can't be either brown or bay based. It will either be black, sorrel, grullo or red dun solid with a greater percentage of the foal being tobiano, since both parents are.
    You should always test ALL your breeding stock in a breed with frame. The stallion test could have been mixed up at the lab or some other such stuff (not suggesting this is the case here, just a "what if" scenario).

    Also, if this mare was tested frame and came back negative, I would be very much surprised. She CLEARLY has the phenotype, and with that solid nose, I doubt it is being caused by splash.
         

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