Okay so this is Lavender Bunny. I originally thought she'd be grulla, as grulla and bay dun were her highest percentages, but on my thread on the breeding section everyone seemed to think mom or dad has a cream gene hidden somewhere and she's a buckskin or dunskin? I'm not completely sure how all that works. When she was born, she had black points on her knees, and around her hooves. She also had a shoulder bar that has almost disappeared completely. She's getting to be more of a creamy color now.
Also, what do you think of her? Am I just biased or is she the prettiest little foal ever?
Mom is a red dun and dad is a grulla. The foal in my profile picture is her sire when he was a couple days old.
And here is my photobucket album for her if you want to look:
Depending on the colors of the sire's parents, it's possible he is a smokey grulla (black+cream+dun). If that's the case, then he could have passed that cream on to Lavender. Depending on the colors of the dam's parents, she could possibly carry agouti, since agouti doesn't manifest on a red base (no black to restrict).
If I didn't know anything about either of her parents and saw her by herself, I would say she's either buckskin or dunskin, with dunskin being the more likely.
Dang-It's mom is black, and dad was registered red dun but looked kind of like a dunalino. He had red points though so I guess that would mean red dun.
Sorry for all the questions. I'd be willing to bet money that Lavender has a cream gene and she had to get it from her sire because the only color that cream "hides" on is black.
Questions are no problem! I'm actually not sure. On all breed registry it says his dad was a red dun roan and nothing about mom. Her name is Ruby Dun It, though, it that might say anything. Posted via Mobile Device
$50 total in coat color testing would give you the answer, $25 to test agouti (bay/brown base if she got agouti from her dam), $25 to test for cream (if cream is present, her sire is likely a smoky grullo which would really explain his peachy baby coat). If you don't want to test her, you will have to wait for the next two years to see her adult coat (everything from now until then will be guesses as she could easily go one way or another as the foals of her color are known to do as the black matures and the dilute/s settle on a shade).
But it also says that he was just a dun, not red dun. I'll have to look at his papers when I get home and make sure it says red dun. Posted via Mobile Device
As I had said in the previous thread, the person who registered his sire (who you said yourself that he looks dunalino, which he very well could be) couldn't choose dunalino as a color for registration, and with using "Dun" in the name it was obvious that they favored the dun dilution even if the horse also had cream. The cream could have been passed with the duns or through a line of blacks totally undected or had the additional dun dilution chosen for registration purposes. That is the largest downfall of relying on a horse's registered color to determine the genetic possibilities of the offspring.
First foal coat shed is the darkest (commonly much darker than the adult coat will be), you won't have an adult color for another year or two Posted via Mobile Device
It's so hard to get close up pictures of what I'm talking about because she (and her mama) is very skittish and they don't let me get too close, which is the only reason I don't send her hairs in for testing; I can't get any. I'm working with both, but as of now, I'm limited on my picture angles! But here's one that shows how pretty she is and also the black on her legs.
Here's one updated picture of Lavender. Haven't had much time to mess with her and Lady so still kind of skittish. Touched her for the first time today, though! She let me scratch her butt, so I was pretty happy about that.
I'm going to upload another closer to her face. Is she starting to shed out on her nose or is this a normal whatever? I have no clue what to expect from foals coats! We have really (besides Dang-It) only had solids or red duns. One bay dun, but I was too young to remember anything about how she changed.
Here is an update on Lavvy! She has had such a turn around! I used to not be able to pet her at all. Like 5 feet from her and she was high tailing it out of there. But then one day, I was scratching on Chrome, her new best friend, and it seemed like she was putting on a show to Lavender to show her how good it felt. But Lav came up for the first time and one butt scratch and she was putty in my hands! At first she would only let me scratch her butt, and with some work, I am now up to her neck. Still iffy with her head, but I'm patient! I can only get the pictures to work on my phone so I'll have to post them one at a time.
Also, look at the butt on this girl! My goodness, and she's got a nice head.
She's looking really good! Babies go through so many changes, and she's not even half way there! She should end up similar in color to her 'baby sitter'.
So if I were to color test Lavvy, would I test for agouti?
Right now the most common opinions on color are bay dun, grulla, and dunskin. Would an agouti test give me what I want to know? Or would it be a different one?
Agouti would tell me if the base color is bay/brown or black, which would help in that but what about dunskin? What would show up for that?
We know she's black-based and has dun. So, agouti will tell us if she has agouti (to become a bay dun) and cream will tell us if she has cream (to become a dunskin).
Also, how does the black usually appear on their legs? I assumed it would start a grayish color and get darker but as you can sort of see in this picture she's getting patches of black that appear out of nowhere.
Can wait for her and Chrome to reveal their final colors!
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