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    01-20-2011, 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by NdAppy    
That sure is a possibility, but I am not so sure on that. His red areas seem to be pretty even in color (even up onto the head). He could be just a more expressed sabino.
I agree I think he might be a maximum expressed sabino.

Go to Element Arabians for what a maximumly expressed sabion looks like.

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    01-20-2011, 04:12 PM
He looks like a red blagdon to me, with extensive sabino (possibly DW) markings.

Here is Myst. She is a blue blagdon.

    01-20-2011, 04:18 PM
Blagdon is common in Irish cobs right? I think that's what he is.
& I don't think he is strawberry roan, because roan horses have darker faces than the rest of their body, as other people have said :S
    01-20-2011, 05:11 PM
The sabino gene does not cause roaning. The sabino gene is a white pattern gene, not the roaning gene. There is a test you can do on horses to see if they are homozygous/heterozygous for the roan gene itself and if I'm not mistaken, I think there is some sort of test to test the zygosity of the sabino pattern in the horse. But, I do agree that he is a strawberry roan sabino.
    01-20-2011, 05:35 PM
Sabino does cause roaning. It just does not cause classic roaning.

There is only one test out there for sabino (SB1). A horse may test negative for SB1 but it does not mean that they do not have sabino as there are many different types of sabino.
    01-20-2011, 06:02 PM
So far, only a test for Sabino1 is available. There are tons of other known sabino types, but testing is not available.

Actually I have to say, that the OP's horse does not look like a Welsh cob but most probably either a Gypsy or Gypsy cross. Difficult to tell much from the pics, but he doesn't have the head of a Welshie and also has too much feather to be one. This colour is found commonly in Gypsies. Maybe he came from Wales, but I doubt he's a Welsh Cob. There are loads of Gypsy Horse breeders in Wales.

Another clue is that the seller called him 'Blagdon'. This is a term only ever used for Gypsy Horses. It denotes a horse of a plain colour (something other than tobiano) with usually, four white feet. I somehow doubt he's a true roan, although it is difficult to tell from the pics.

Here is an example of a blue blagdon. Just lighter in colour than our Myst.

Lloyds | Vines Gypsy Horses

And here is his red blagdon daughter.


As you see, both have extensive sabino.

    01-20-2011, 11:45 PM
I would say chestnut/sorrel sabino, with the rabicano roaning (different than classic roaning)...
    01-21-2011, 01:10 AM
Originally Posted by mom2pride    
I would say chestnut/sorrel sabino, with the rabicano roaning (different than classic roaning)...
I wouldn't say rabicano as that is usually centered on the barrel and tends to not be evenly dispersed over the whole body.
    01-21-2011, 07:15 AM
ND is it Sab 1 in Clydeys? I seem to recall that it is not but my memory is getting patchy in my advanced age lmao. I think this guy has whatever the Clydes do, it just looks like them to me.
    01-21-2011, 09:31 AM
I *think* SB1 is in clydes. I need to go look at all my info again. By brain isn't working right yet this morning.

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