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post #1 of 11 Old 06-28-2011, 05:03 PM Thread Starter
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What colour is my horse, help with passport

Hi there, I'm new to the forum and am in need of some assistance deciding what colour my horse is. I'm in the process of getting her passport overstamped by the British Skewbald & Piebald Association and on the form they talk of Tobiano, Overo etc, well its all a bit beyond me, when I bought her 17 years ago she was plain old Skewbald. Any help would be greatly appreciated, after a bit of searching on the internet I am hazarding a guess at Tovero, am I warm?





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post #2 of 11 Old 06-28-2011, 06:09 PM
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If she has one or more blue eye then yes I would say Tovero according to APHA regulations.
If no blue eye, then she fits the description of Tobiano perfectly. Again these are by the APHA regulations.

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I would call her a "Ben Franklin sorrel."



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Tovero is a good guess. My gut reaction was tobiano, but after looking more closely, I think you may be right after all. Base color, of course, is chestnut in British terms.
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Toveros do not require blue eyes. And APHA/ other breed registries do not necessarily register based on genes present, but simply phenotype and "guesstimates" (and thus have a lot of misregistered horses).
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Haha Bubba! Ben Franklin, that's funny. =]
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post #6 of 11 Old 06-28-2011, 06:39 PM
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Toveros do not require blue eyes. And APHA/ other breed registries do not necessarily register based on genes present, but simply phenotype and "guesstimates" (and thus have a lot of misregistered horses).
I looked it up on APHA.com and according to them a Tovero has to have one or both blue eyes. I didn't know that either.
APHA.Com - Tovero Pattern

According to the description of each color pattern on APHA.com, she's Tobiano if no blue eyes. My first reaction was Tovero as well until I looked it up.

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But that doesn't matter here because it's a different registery. If it's similar to CHAPS then I don't think they care about blue eyes. If they have Tovero on the form then put her as that.

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She appears to be carrying both Tobiano & Sabino (notice the "roaning" in her coat & the large face white that avoids her eyes & extends far under her chin), so yes, she would be considered "Tovero". APHA is severely lacking in real genetic knowledge, so I would never use their guidelines in order to identify pattern genes, especially when the horse is not being registered with them.
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She appears to be carrying both Tobiano & Sabino (notice the "roaning" in her coat & the large face white that avoids her eyes & extends far under her chin), so yes, she would be considered "Tovero". APHA is severely lacking in real genetic knowledge, so I would never use their guidelines in order to identify pattern genes, especially when the horse is not being registered with them.
This.

Also, a true tobiano would have no face white. So the fact she has a blaze means she has to be another white pattern as well. If the registry has a 'tovero' option, go with that. *mutters about outdated registries* Although having said that, I suppose it is a sign of change coming that a European registry is recognising her as more than a skewbald lol

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But that doesn't matter here because it's a different registery. If it's similar to CHAPS then I don't think they care about blue eyes. If they have Tovero on the form then put her as that.
::Ahh Haa moment:: Ohh, I understand now. Guess that makes more sence for a horse not in America to not be in the AMERICAN paint horse....

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