What do you guys think? - My Ponies Colors

So, I was just curious on my own horses, color, and am good with colors, but I love hearing other peoples opinions, They both are pretty simple 'bases' but some interesting (sort of) extras

I will be posting their pictures below in two posts below

First One is Echo, my Miniature Horse, its winter so her colors show well.

I realize she's fat, she looks a lot more fat because of her belly fuzz, but she's on a diet currently.











I know I have heard before that Minis are weird with their coats. She has had this white speckles since I have had her when she was 3 (in 2007)

So I guess I was curious your opinion on her overall coat would be called by you!

The next is my Hackney Pony X Morgan, Jesse.
Note: it was morning and he had just finished in morning mud roll





(sorry, for the genital shot; he has a spot of white shown here)






I think I have an idea what he is, but again, other peoples opinions please?

Thanks!

Jesse also has a chin spot extending to his snip, it shades to gray.

Mini just appears to be a sorrel with a flaxen mane & tail, though summer photos are better for determining color.
The 2nd is a brown with sabino I do believe

I would say 1st is a Flaxen Chestnut Rabicano or Roan?

The 2nd is definitely a mealy bay. Just darker because of the winter coat :)

*cough* Faline the second is a brown.

Sunnymeade, can you post a couple of summer/shed out pics of the pony?

Mealy Bay: Google Image Result for http://www.mustangs4us.com/Horse%2520Colors/colors/mealy%2520bay%2520mustang%2520baby%2520-%2520judy%2520goulet_small.jpg

Brown: Google Image Result for http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/horse-care/~/media/Files/pet-care/images-misc-sizes/brown-horse.ashx

Faline BOTH those horses are brown. Brown is a testable gene/color. It is a variation of bay as both are forms of agouti that restrict black in different ways.

Here's a mealy bay (and as a bonus, a non-mealy bay, too, because it's in the same image):


A lot of people confuse it with brown, but mealy/pangare has white or grayish points while brown has warm, orangey-red points. Pangare can be expressed on most colors (though it doesn't appear to express on black), while brown is a "dark bay" horse. You can even have a brown horse with pangare.