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  • Chimerism in appaloosas

 
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    07-24-2011, 09:07 PM
  #21
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
I thought LP meant leopard pattern. I consider that an Appaloosa trait, although I am aware in manifests itself in breeds older than the Appaloosa.

I thought there were other things that go along with LP, such as sclera, striped hooves, mottling, etc. that I wasn't seeing on this horse, so I wasn't sure why LP was even mentioned.


I mentioned felines also, but there is no intimation her horse is a cat any more than there was it is an Appaloosa. You might want to look at the context in which LP/Appy have been mentioned.

Sorry if I came across as rude - the intent was not to be rude but to point out the folly of trying to tell someone else what they are thinking based upon you own limited knowledge, when their thinking was made perfectly clear. If you are indeed trying to learn that is admirable. One learns by listening - I'm sure there are many things I could learn from you on topics I don't know much about. We all are knowledgeable in some areas and still learning in others.

Just for the record, LP actually invokes spots and characteristics, not pattern. PATN would refer to pattern...it gets a bit confusing with Appys...


To Piaffe - I agree, it would be interesting if the source of the striping on the OP's mare could be pinned down, although keep in mind the DNA would be the same for the entire body - it would not (and could not) vary from one part of the body to the next...
     
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    07-24-2011, 09:14 PM
  #22
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
One learns by listening
actually its hard to learn anything without interaction, asking questions and making mistakes. That's beside the point though

Wow he sure is beautiful!! Id love to own a BLM someday! And his markings are unique and pretty, but that's about the only thing I can say about them, im clueless about genetics/color
     
    07-24-2011, 09:39 PM
  #23
Green Broke
I have a plain bay standardbred gelding who has pretty prominent rib striping in his summer coat. No idea what causes it but it certainly is not brindling.
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    07-24-2011, 09:45 PM
  #24
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To Piaffe - I agree, it would be interesting if the source of the striping on the OP's mare could be pinned down, although keep in mind the DNA would be the same for the entire body - it would not (and could not) vary from one part of the body to the next...[/QUOTE]

The way it was explained to me by Animal Genetics testing (whom I had test my brindle) was that Chimerism could be verified by them finding two seperate sets of dna. Two twins fusing therefore two seperate horses. So not literally body parts are from one horse and some from another,but rather the actual hairs. So even though they didnt Find two different dnas from the hairs I pulled chimerism couldnt be completely ruled out because hair from another area could have had the other dna. *shrugs*..... Just what the person there explained to me.
     
    07-24-2011, 10:22 PM
  #25
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Originally Posted by Piaffe    
The way it was explained to me by Animal Genetics testing (whom I had test my brindle) was that Chimerism could be verified by them finding two seperate sets of dna. Two twins fusing therefore two seperate horses. So not literally body parts are from one horse and some from another,but rather the actual hairs. So even though they didnt Find two different dnas from the hairs I pulled chimerism couldnt be completely ruled out because hair from another area could have had the other dna. *shrugs*..... Just what the person there explained to me.

Yeah, chimerism itself is a bit different and in theory you could see that, although that would be under the assumption the horse was chimeric to begin with, which is long odds. Normally though chimerism manifests itself in different DNA for different organs developed from the different zygotes. I would be surprised if it would pertain to hair in different parts of the body, but the experts know more than I do in that regard. I suppose it is possible though, so that would certainly introduce an additional pssible explanation for the striping...
     
    07-24-2011, 10:35 PM
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In all honesty in the end I personally highly doubt that this particular horse is chimeric. Or even brindle. It is certainly very interesting though and I am curious what others might think it is...
     
    07-24-2011, 10:52 PM
  #27
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
I mentioned felines also, but there is no intimation her horse is a cat any more than there was it is an Appaloosa. You might want to look at the context in which LP/Appy have been mentioned.

Sorry if I came across as rude - the intent was not to be rude but to point out the folly of trying to tell someone else what they are thinking based upon you own limited knowledge, when their thinking was made perfectly clear. If you are indeed trying to learn that is admirable. One learns by listening - I'm sure there are many things I could learn from you on topics I don't know much about. We all are knowledgeable in some areas and still learning in others.

Just for the record, LP actually invokes spots and characteristics, not pattern. PATN would refer to pattern...it gets a bit confusing with Appys...


To Piaffe - I agree, it would be interesting if the source of the striping on the OP's mare could be pinned down, although keep in mind the DNA would be the same for the entire body - it would not (and could not) vary from one part of the body to the next...
If I was not into the study of everything "horse" I would not be here. I had assumed we are all here to interact and learn. Maybe some are here just to tell others what they think they know.

For the record, from here on out (and retroactively if I can do that) everything that come out of my head are MY thoughts, and my thoughts only. I do NOT want anyone to think I am reading their mind and/or putting thoughts into their head.

As for chimerism, you are wrong. Hairs from the body of the same horse can have different DNA types if they are chimeric.

http://americashorsedaily.com/one-in-a-million-part-1/

And part 2 of the article:
One in a Million: Part 2 – America’s Horse Daily
     
    07-25-2011, 02:54 AM
  #28
Foal
Trailhorserider - thanks for that article - I found it really interesting!
     
    07-26-2011, 12:20 AM
  #29
Foal
This horse is a dun? I have heard of some duns getting/having something called "ghost stripes" tho I have never seen it. Could this be what your horse have?
And I'm jealous of you Americans having such a gorgeous horse as the mustang... Absolutely would LOVE to be able to have one...
     
    08-11-2011, 08:25 PM
  #30
Weanling
This could be brindle. I'm no expert but I've heard of cases where the horse is a chestnut with white brindle. But that doesn't look like any picture I've ever seen.
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