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What is this pattern called? Would this be considered brindle?

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This is my blm mustang mare and I have always been curious what these marking are called. They stand out after she has had a bath and before she has rolled because the markings are so light. She is still a little wet in the photos but they showed up really nice after using color enhancing shampoo for the first time yesterday. They are on both sides of her neck, barrel and a tiny bit on the top of her hips. I don't know why but you can always see the markings better in person that you can in a photo. She doesn't have these stripes in her winter coat at all. Oh and she is a red dun so I wasn't sure if a horse can be a combo of a dun and a brindle. I forgot to add that she has no curl to her coat so it isn't directional growth. Thanks!
 

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A bit off topic, but I have a question on BLM freeze brands.

I have noticed lately several photos of horses that the BLM just sort of seems to slap the freeze brand in the middle of the horse's neck. I always though it should be neatly near the crest. On my BLM gelding it is neatly near the crest (and under the mane).

Has it always been this way (in the middle of the neck?) or does the BLM just sort of slap-em-on where ever? Maybe my guy's brand is actually the acception to the rule?

Stunning horse by the way. And I have no idea on the stripes, but she's lovely! :)

My favorite thing about Mustangs is their sturdy conformation. I think QH breeders could learn a thing or two about breeding a horse with good bone and hooves! Your girl is the whole package- conformation and drop-dead-gorgeous color!
 
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Lol if you walk out into the pens where I just adopted my gelding last month I noticed they all had them all in different places on the neck. When the do the branding, worming, hoof trims and shots they send the horses through the shoots down to a hydrolic chute that is padded. Once the horse is in there it squeezes the horse all over just enough so they can't move around much. They open the door and then brand the horse. They try to get them along the crest of the neck but the horses are still able to kind of move their heads in there which is why you will see the brand not always in the center. This is my gelding in that padded, hydrolic chute when they were trimming his hooves before we loaded him up on the trailer.
 

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My friend messaged me that they found this info on brindles... The brindle horse usually has dark stripes on a lighter background, but there are cases of light stripes on a dark background. At one point, it was thought to be part of the dun factor, but it found to be untrue. "Many people confuse the Brindle pattern with Dun Factor markings (stripe down the back, barring on the legs, and occasional regular-spaced striping down the ribs). At one time, it was thought Brindle was a just a variation of Dun Factor. Indeed, there have been many examples of horses that were probably carrying both Dun Factor and Brindle."
 
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I absolutely LOVE wild mustangs! I bought my red mare here second hand and she is hands down the BEST trail partner I have ever had! We just moved up into the Sierra mountains in northern California in January and she has proven to be quite the mountain goat! My new boy will be just as good. He is so level headed and as much as I hate to say it, way smarter than my mare lol.
 
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It looks like it feels textured but it isn't. Before I snapped these photos yesterday I was sure to brush her hair down nice and smooth.

Faceman, she has absolutely no roaning or white hairs.
Yeah, I don't necessarily think that is what it is although you can have dun and roan together - I don't see any other typical evidence of roaning, but the pattern looks much like striped roaning, which is just a striped pattern on the ribs of some roans. It is more often seen in Appy LP roaning, but is sometimes seen on regular roans also. Hard to say exactly what it is...horses originally had much more striping than they do today, but since domestication have not had the need for it so most of it has been diluted out
 
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You are thinking of the rabicano pattern. But I don't think this particular mare shows any of the other characteristics. But I will also be the first to admit I am not a color expert. :)
No, YOU are thinking of rabicano patterning. I am thinking of roan and LP roaning, which is what I addressed, and both of which can manifest themselves in rib striping, just as with rabicano, although not normally as prominant. Why must some people insist on telling you what you are thinking?
 
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I had a mare that had something like that (thinner though) on her neck,chest,and belly. They were quite textured though....

http://www.horseforum.com/horse-breeding/could-she-brindling-54882/

Your horse has pretty markings whatever they are! You could do a DNA test to see if it is chimeric,but most chimerics have more vibrant two tones. The tests can't guarantee a chimeric either,because even if you send in hair samples from different places it could still be the same horse on those parts and the "other" horse could be on a different body part. AGH...does that make sense? It is the non-chimeric that can (supposedly) pass it on and there really isn't a test for that except to wait and see if foals have it...lol. haha...sorry if I am rambling ;)
 
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I have a plain bay standardbred gelding who has pretty prominent rib striping in his summer coat. No idea what causes it but it certainly is not brindling.
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To Piaffe - I agree, it would be interesting if the source of the striping on the OP's mare could be pinned down, although keep in mind the DNA would be the same for the entire body - it would not (and could not) vary from one part of the body to the next...[/QUOTE]

The way it was explained to me by Animal Genetics testing (whom I had test my brindle) was that Chimerism could be verified by them finding two seperate sets of dna. Two twins fusing therefore two seperate horses. So not literally body parts are from one horse and some from another,but rather the actual hairs. So even though they didnt Find two different dnas from the hairs I pulled chimerism couldnt be completely ruled out because hair from another area could have had the other dna. *shrugs*..... Just what the person there explained to me.
 
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The way it was explained to me by Animal Genetics testing (whom I had test my brindle) was that Chimerism could be verified by them finding two seperate sets of dna. Two twins fusing therefore two seperate horses. So not literally body parts are from one horse and some from another,but rather the actual hairs. So even though they didnt Find two different dnas from the hairs I pulled chimerism couldnt be completely ruled out because hair from another area could have had the other dna. *shrugs*..... Just what the person there explained to me.

Yeah, chimerism itself is a bit different and in theory you could see that, although that would be under the assumption the horse was chimeric to begin with, which is long odds. Normally though chimerism manifests itself in different DNA for different organs developed from the different zygotes. I would be surprised if it would pertain to hair in different parts of the body, but the experts know more than I do in that regard. I suppose it is possible though, so that would certainly introduce an additional pssible explanation for the striping...
 
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In all honesty in the end I personally highly doubt that this particular horse is chimeric. Or even brindle. It is certainly very interesting though and I am curious what others might think it is...
 
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