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post #1 of 8 Old 12-16-2013, 10:14 AM Thread Starter
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What pattern is he?

I know he is a Sorrel Tobiano but does he have any other patterns going on? I'm just curious...I'm trying to read up on genetics ect, but it doesn't click very well in my brain yet, it just gets so confusing!

(These pics are old and he has since built up more muscle and looks a lot better!)



^Thats a little freckle of color under his eye on the bald side of his face, not dirt. He has a couple random freckles like that on his back and legs too when he sheds out.
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post #2 of 8 Old 12-16-2013, 10:36 AM
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I'm no expert in genetics, but wouldn't he be overo?

I was under the impression that tobiano accounted for solid legs, solid face, and shield like white markings, typically over the hind quarters and shoulders.
Unless they can be backwards? (As in... the sorrel being the 'shield like markings'). Even so, I thought that said markings had to cross over the back for it to qualify as tobiano?

I know very little about color genetics, so correct me if I'm wrong!

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I'm not sure if this is a very reliable site but I was reading this.

Horse911.com / INFO: Identifying Tobiano And Overo Pintos

Though on a lot of websites I have been reading they say Tobianos don't usually have bald faces but are usually marked like a solid colored horse (snip, blaze, star ect) so I was confused. He does have a ring of color at the base of his tail too, and his mane, tail and forelock are all solid colored and not mixed. Mane is solid white, and tail and forelock are colored.

You can see the marking on his tail in this one

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If I type Tovero paint into google a lot of the horses in the photos look like my guy... And on the APHA website this guy popped up and looks just like my guy minus the blue eyes.

Tovero Pattern

I've always been told he was a Tobiano...maybe I'm wrong?
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He is tobiano plus additional white modifying genes - probably splash, possibly frame.

Slash likes to put extra white on the face usually in an off enter bottom heavy manner.

Frame can also put extra white, usually making a pattern broad between the eyes. Frame likes to keep the legs dark, but when with other patterns it doesn't always win out in that regard.

For sure he is more than just tobiano, and would be tovero (which only means tobiano +additional white causing genes). Most in genetics hate the term tovero, as it is very I precise send covers many additional genes (sabino, splash, frame).
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I'm no expert in genetics, but wouldn't he be overo?

I was under the impression that tobiano accounted for solid legs, solid face, and shield like white markings, typically over the hind quarters and shoulders.
Unless they can be backwards? (As in... the sorrel being the 'shield like markings'). Even so, I thought that said markings had to cross over the back for it to qualify as tobiano?

I know very little about color genetics, so correct me if I'm wrong!
Tobiano almost always have white legs. Frame likes dark legs. Tobiano alone usually have dark or mostly dark head and face.
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Yup Tovero! Of course he could have other fancy things going on but if you're looking for the simple terms "tovero" will cover it! :)
My gypsy is just about the same pattern as yours!
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"Overo" literally means "something white that isn't tobiano". Considering there are nearly 20 white patterning genes, this is an outdated, lazy term. Same goes for "tovero".

Your boy definitely has tobiano. You can tell it is there from where the colour has stayed - shields on the flanks and on the chest. This is very typical of tobiano when there is a lot of white - these places usually have colour if there is colour to be found on the horse. In terms of what else is tobiano doing, well tobiano LOVES leg white, but doesn't cause any face white. So we can safely say that because your boy has white on his face, there has to be another white pattern going on.

In this case, I see splash too. The white on his face is "slipping" to the side, a very common trait of splash. Another clue is that one eye has no colour - both frame and sabino will try to keep colour over the eye, while splash tries to get the white over it.
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