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What Pattern is She?

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    07-29-2011, 12:32 AM
What Pattern is She?

My horse, Di, is registered with the APHA as an overo. Lately I have been wondering exactly what pattern she has; whatever it is it's very minimally expressed. Di is a hard case, but I thought that the people here would be the best thing short of genetic testing. She'll never be bred so this is just to satisfy my curiosity.

Di has a star, four socks with paw prints and a belly spot. She was born with a very small amount of white in her tail, though there is no pink skin underneath. She is grey, so her tail has since turned completely white. She must be minimal frame, tobiano or both unless something else was hiding in the parents. What do you think?

Here is her belly spot (I think it looks like a telephone.)

Here is her dad. He is registered tobiano and that looks pretty accurate to me. Sorry for the tiny picture.

Mom is a registered overo, and I think that she is frame. She had the classic bald face and irregular belly spots. Again sorry for the small picture.

Whew! Thanks for looking through all of that. Thank you in advance for any input you might have :)

ETA: Please ignore the long feet in the first picture. Those are being addressed asap!
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    07-29-2011, 12:39 AM
I think sabino and frame. Could be minimal tobiano too, with the leg white, but I think that might be sabino causing that.
    07-29-2011, 12:44 AM
Love that tail!
    07-29-2011, 12:58 AM
Thank you, I love her tail too :)

Chiilaa, I have always wanted a sabino. Come to think of it, her dam had high leg white on at least one leg. Is that a characteristic of sabino?
    07-29-2011, 01:00 AM
Sabino, splash and tobiano could all cause leg white, high or not. Sabino leg white tends to be rather 'messy' - the edges are a bit all over the place if you know what I mean?
    07-29-2011, 01:15 AM
I think I understand what you mean, Chiilaa. I'm looking at the few pictures I have of her mom and it seems like there was a small spot of white right above the stocking. I don't know if that counts as messy, though either way this is very interesting. I had never considered splash or sabino before.

Thanks for the help!
    07-29-2011, 01:27 AM
Ok let me clarify messy. See how your beautiful girl has such jagged socks? I would call them 'messy'.

I would call these 'neat'. See the clear, crisp lines? I would think these are caused by Splash. I would also think that since it is higher in the front.

These socks are probably tobiano caused. The horse is tested as tobiano. High in the back is another hint.
    07-29-2011, 01:47 PM
Oh, now I get it! So you are suspecting sabino because of the jagged edges of her socks. I had always wondered why they were like that instead of smooth like the other horses. Thank you for taking the time to explain all of this to me. I am really fascinated by horse color genetics.

I can't wait to tell my friends that I might have a frame+sabino now ;)

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