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    02-08-2012, 09:03 PM
  #1
Foal
What patterns do you see?

Below are pictures of two of our horses that I would love some feedback on.

The first is our new 2011 APHA colt and the second is of our 2008 AQHA/APHA filly that we just bought and will be coming home to us shortly

Our colt is a frame but does he carry the splash gene as well?

Our filly is the toughest. She is an outcrop and is by two AQHA parents but is dual registered. She's showing overo markings but what type(s)? I see possible frame, frame/splash and/or sabino. The possible sabino markings are tough to see but you can sort of see what I'm talking about on the picture of her as a three year old. I wish I had more pictures to post but these are all I have right now. I know her breeder very well and have requested more but I haven't received them yet.


2011 APHA colt - AKA Austin









2008 AQHA/APHA filly - AKA Holly



Yearling picture





Yearling picture #2





Three year old picture (sabino markings?)

     
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    02-08-2012, 09:08 PM
  #2
Trained
Whew, nice looking babies there!

The colt, I agree for frame overo. He very well could have splash, there is a test out now for that if you want to know for sure.

The filly, I see sabino and splash. The splash I see is going underneath her jaw. And the legs. The legs can also be caused by sabino, see the speckles where the white and brown mix together? And that spot along her left side speaks sabino to me. And the larger spot on the right speaks splash. :-/
     
    02-08-2012, 09:08 PM
  #3
Trained
Oh by the way, can I have them both? LMAO!
     
    02-08-2012, 09:25 PM
  #4
Foal
[QUOTE=CLaPorte432;1349392]Whew, nice looking babies there!


Thanks CLaPorte432!! We love them both! Our little colt is our show prospect and he can't grow up fast enough, lol!

I felt the same way about the sabino markings on our filly with the "speckles" on her left side. I also thought splash from the right side marking, tall stockings and her face. It's nice to know others see the same thing You don't see possible frame?

As for the splash, I heard about the new test (on here of course, lol!) and we plan on getting him tested for that as well as to make sure he's not a lethal white carrier. Not that we're planning on breeding him at this time but it's better safe than sorry

As for your question "can I have them both", sorry, they're not for sale, lol!!
     
    02-08-2012, 09:29 PM
  #5
Yearling
All frame overos carry lethal white. Frame in its homozygous state is lethal.
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    02-08-2012, 09:30 PM
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Trained
I can guarantee you that foal is a LWO carrier. Frame is LWO. One copy of Frame is completely harmless. Two copies is what's lethal. If you bred him for whatever reason, make sure the mare isn't a Frame carrier. Also definitely splash. Probably sabino also.

The filly is splash and I'm going to guess sabino based on how jagged the edges of her white spots are. However, I would probably test her for Frame just to be safe because it can hide.
     
    02-08-2012, 09:31 PM
  #7
Trained
There is always the possibility for frame. So definitely test them both. My apha mare only has white on her face and belly markings like your girl (little on one side and a hand sized spot on other side) and to ankle socks and she is a frame carrier. So until you know for sure that they are or arent frame carriers, think of them as a frame carrier just to be safe.

And dangit, I was hoping to snatch one of those lovelies from you.
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    02-08-2012, 09:33 PM
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Foal
No worries everyone, I already stated that he would be tested to see if he was a lethal white carrier "Not that we're planning on breeding him but it's better safe than sorry"
     
    02-08-2012, 09:34 PM
  #9
Trained
Don't waste your money testing the colt for Frame. He is. The filly, however, I would test.

CLaPorte - My mare doesn't even have that much. One hind pastern white, a large blaze, and a very little, maybe quarter sized white spot near her elbow and she's N/O.

ETA: Lethal white isn't a disease they develop over time. It's just a mutation within the gene that causes a malformed digestive tract when homozygous. You have nothing to worry about with the colt. :)
     
    02-08-2012, 09:35 PM
  #10
Green Broke
I agree with previous posters. Frame and splash most definitely on the little boy. He has to have something more than frame, as frame doesn't like leg white. Sabino and splash, no frame, for the filly. Again, it's the high leg white telling me she doesn't have frame. HOWEVER - she should still be tested before breeding her at all ever.
     

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