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    08-11-2013, 03:22 PM
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Weanling
What are the sign of frame?

On a solid or colored horse, what are the signs that show the frame gene? Like I've heard of the way overo goes horizontal and if they're "solid", if they have a facial marking and it gets wider at the top? Also, what about a solid horse who has socks? What causes the socks? Splash? I'm trying to learn more about frame and splash :) especially since I know my mares dam was definitely frame, but we also think splash and my mare is solid with a sock and a facial marking.
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    08-11-2013, 03:40 PM
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All white markings orginate from a pinto white pattern gene.

Frame. The white markings on the face are top heavy and irregular and typically reach toward the eyes. Frame likes to put irregular markings on the sides of the horse avoiding the topline. Frame likes to keep white markings off the legs. Also can cause blue eyes in horses. Horses who carry frame can have ZERO white on them which is why ALL breeding horses not just pinto's should be tested for this when it isn't obvious like it on as the horse in the picture since it is lethal in homozygous form.



Frame QH mare has only this odd blaze and a dollar coin sized spot on her side.


Splash. The white markings are bottom heavy and smooth they can have that dipped in paint look. Can put markings on the legs also causes blue eyes in horses.



Sabino can also put white markings on legs they typically are very symmetrical markings that can have jagged tops to them. It's also responsible for ticking in coats and other markings like stars or symmetrical blazes. Likes to keep color around the eyes as well.



Dominant white and maximum expressed sabino. There is still a lt of research that needs to be done on this and these two white patterning genes can look identical but they both can make a horse very white or completely white.



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    08-11-2013, 03:50 PM
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Weanling
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Originally Posted by Peppy Barrel Racing    
All white markings orginate from a pinto white pattern gene.

Frame. The white markings on the face are top heavy and irregular and typically reach toward the eyes. Frame likes to put irregular markings on the sides of the horse avoiding the topline. Frame likes to keep white markings off the legs. Also can cause blue eyes in horses. Horses who carry frame can have ZERO white on them which is why ALL breeding horses not just pinto's should be tested for this when it isn't obvious like it on as the horse in the picture since it is lethal in homozygous form.



Frame QH mare has only this odd blaze and a dollar coin sized spot on her side.


Splash. The white markings are bottom heavy and smooth they can have that dipped in paint look. Can put markings on the legs also causes blue eyes in horses.



Sabino can also put white markings on legs they typically are very symmetrical markings that can have jagged tops to them. It's also responsible for ticking in coats and other markings like stars or symmetrical blazes. Likes to keep color around the eyes as well.



Dominant white and maximum expressed sabino. There is still a lt of research that needs to be done on this and these two white patterning genes can look identical but they both can make a horse very white or completely white.


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Wow! Thanks! What would you say this mare is if she had something? It's hard to tell in the picture, but she does also have a right hind sock/pastern.
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    08-11-2013, 03:52 PM
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Probably sabino but some white patterns can express quite minimally. And some can be recessive and not express at all.
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    08-11-2013, 04:58 PM
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A good idea though, if ever thinking of breeding, is to test ANY stock that are from breeds that are known to have frame before heading into the breeding. Solid horses can and do carry the frame gene with no outward signs (aka color anywhere on the body or head).
     
    08-11-2013, 05:17 PM
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Yearling
I love this forum, so educational!
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    08-11-2013, 05:46 PM
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Weanling
Wow! Definitely learning a lot. What would make you think Sabino? This is her dam. Really bad picture, but what would you guess her pattern to be?
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    08-11-2013, 05:46 PM
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Do you guys see how many white patterns that are covered under the blanket term of Overo. That is why it is an outdated term and one that leads to uneducated breeding decisions that result in lethal foals.
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    08-11-2013, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by nessa1579    
Wow! Definitely learning a lot. What would make you think Sabino? This is her dam. Really bad picture, but what would you guess her pattern to be?
The jagged white on the legs and fairly symmetrical blaze are probably sabino. But that odd belly spot makes me wonder if that's frame or sabino caused.
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    08-12-2013, 02:03 AM
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This is my mare. She is out a loud colored mare that is definitely positive for frame.



Her blaze shape is definitely one that would raise a flag to test for frame. So I did and she is N/O.
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