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post #21 of 40 Old 05-19-2013, 04:11 PM
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Grulla is black with dun. All her markings are "dun factor", in other words her dun gene has caused her to have ear tips/rims, a dorsal stripe, lightening of her body color and leg stripes. Without the dun she would be a plain/normal black horse. Hence dun factor.

As for his coloring, the lightness. That's why I was asking for pictures/more information on the sire. There are many MANY studs that their owners swear up and down until they are blue in the face that they are blue roans when in fact they are bays or browns under the roan.
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Bay dun is the color. Bay base coat with the dun gene. Dun factor refers to the characteristics of the dun gene (leg barring, true dorsal stripe, etc).

Grulla is more accurately called black dun, because it is a black base coat with the dun gene.

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Im confused on why you keep calling him a dun, when the mare has dun qualities as well..?? There are many colts born this color and are still grulla but are mistaken for duns because of their first coat color, when they shed out to be their true mousey color. They both have the same marking and mind you he is only 6 weeks old and is still growing into his color, when he was just born his eyes and face werent near as dark and defined as they are now. His mother is a grulla and has the same dun marking as him, the ears, dorsal stripe into the tail, gaurd hairs, etc...so what would make the colt more "bay dun" qualities than his mothers grulla qualities... that's the part im not understanding?

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The mare IS dun. That's what we're trying to tell you. Grulla is black plus DUN.
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Grulla is black with dun. All her markings are "dun factor", in other words her dun gene has caused her to have ear tips/rims, a dorsal stripe, lightening of her body color and leg stripes. Without the dun she would be a plain/normal black horse. Hence dun factor.

As for his coloring, the lightness. That's why I was asking for pictures/more information on the sire. There are many MANY studs that their owners swear up and down until they are blue in the face that they are blue roans when in fact they are bays or browns under the roan.
the lightness happens alot of grulla colts actually, they arent all born shades or grey or mousey color, a lot of them are born light like him then shed out to their true grulla color. And when he was born his face and eyes werent near as dark and defined as they are becoming now, once he starts to lose this first coat, his mousey color will come out more. GRULLO COLOR EXPLAINED: PHotos offered of grullo shades

Look at the third colt down on that link, light in color and shed out to mousey.. not the first example I have seen either, but its one I found to put on here for now.

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The mare IS dun. That's what we're trying to tell you. Grulla is black plus DUN.
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I understand that, what I didnt understand was why they were trying to tell me the colt has the dun factor and kept calling him a bay dun etc when I already know he has the dun in him, I was trying to understand why its so hard to understand that he's a grulla dun.

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Im confused on why you keep calling him a dun, when the mare has dun qualities as well..?? There are many colts born this color and are still grulla but are mistaken for duns because of their first coat color, when they shed out to be their true mousey color. They both have the same marking and mind you he is only 6 weeks old and is still growing into his color, when he was just born his eyes and face werent near as dark and defined as they are now. His mother is a grulla and has the same dun marking as him, the ears, dorsal stripe into the tail, gaurd hairs, etc...so what would make the colt more "bay dun" qualities than his mothers grulla qualities... that's the part im not understanding?

I meant to say mistaken for bay duns because of their light coat color, not "mistaken for duns"

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Probably because he looks to be more of a bay dun (bay base coat plus dun) than a grulla (black base coat plus dun). Which is why NdAppy asked for pics of the sire, or his pedigree. If the sire was actually a bay roan or brown roan (which A LOT of horses that are mistakenly called blue roan end up actually being bay or brown roans on closer inspection), then there is a good chance (more than fair) that your colt is a bay dun, not a grulla.
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okay, well as far as I know he was a full out blue, ill have to ask for the owner of the studs phone number or something so I can be positive on the color of the stud, but from what I can tell besides his actual coat color, the colt has a black base coat not a brown shade. But anyhow, I just wanted to know how long it takes their first coat to shed out

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Why not color test the colt and report the findings? That would settle it for all of us ;) I also am not seeing Grulla

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