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    06-19-2012, 05:53 PM
Considering frame "hides" you can have a whole bloodline of horses that are carriers are not "showing" frame with a loud pattern...
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    06-19-2012, 05:54 PM
Eileen - The roaning on the blaze is nothing like the roan that causes a "strawberry" roan. If a horse is roan/has roan it WILL show. It doesn't hide.
    06-19-2012, 05:57 PM
You can, of course, have a minimally expressed frame gene...but you cannot have the frame gene unless one parent had it...its a dominant gene

At any rate, the only way to know for sure if this horse has frame if one parent is known to be frame, is to test her
    06-19-2012, 06:05 PM
But if you don't know the sire or dam had it and it isn't expressed on them there is no way to know without testing.

Frame can present with no markings what so ever.

This guy is a perfect example. Not a speck of white on him, but he is a frame carrier.
    06-19-2012, 06:49 PM
Yes, i'm fully aware of how the paint genes work...however, telling someone that their horse looks like frame no other indicators of it is not really the best guess to make...especially as being proved by your own blue eyed example of a horse that clearly has an indicator of some form of paint gene...and there are no "Frame carriers." its a dominant gene, which means they have it or they don't. "carrying" a gene is a term used for recessive genes that are "Carried" on the locus with the dominant one...frame overo cannot be "carried" and hidden behind a recessive gene

The frame gene is not one to toy with and responsible breeders test their stock for it...therefore, it is a reasonable assumption that the breeders of the mare tested her parents

Not really sure why you feel the need to argue with me on this...yes, frame can be minimally expressed. Sorry, but I disagree with your opinion that the mare "looks" frame

Neither of us can possibly be proven correct until a test is done...until then, your opinion is just "right/wrong" as mine
    06-19-2012, 08:05 PM
She is an Appendix QH, and the result of a backyard breeder. Her dam was a QH/Appy and her sire was a TB/something; none of her relatives that are known are registered.

I'm just glad she's a cute BYB baby and not an ugly one like some around here.

Thanks everyone!
    06-19-2012, 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by NdAppy    
Is this lil guy yours? He's adorable! Wish there was one that looked like that around here; I'd breed my lil mini mare to him!
    06-19-2012, 08:30 PM
Originally Posted by rhavennah    
however, telling someone that their horse looks like frame no other indicators of it is not really the best guess to make...
Don't assume I had "no other indicator" of frame. I do have indications. The first is the lack of leg white, when accompanied by a fair amount of face white. While I wouldn't expect high white, I would expect white on the fores as well as the hinds if the white is being caused by sabino. Secondly, the shape of the blaze DOES indicate frame. Sabino creates thin, even markings that stay the same width or fairly uniform the whole length of the marking. Splash causes white on the face to be bottom heavy and to slide a little so it is usually heavier on one side than the other. Frame causes face white to be top heavy as it tries to spread over the eyes. Have a look at the OP's horse and I am sure you can at least tell me which one she is indicating.

Frame can be described as "carried" because, while it is dominant, it can be very difficult to see, as it can cause no white at all, or it can be difficult to make out from other white patterns unless you are very good at "seeing" it.
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