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    06-03-2012, 12:53 PM
  #11
Trained
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Originally Posted by Born2Ride    
Thank you for the information, also her ad said this;

Tinsel is nominated for lifetime into the Sport Horse Nationals Payback program as well as the Midwest Arabian Breeders Club.

I was going to look in to for more information. But is that what your referring to as far as showing her Sport Horse in Hand?

No, but the Sporthorse payback program is a good one. She's eligible for prize money from them if she shows at Sport Horse Nationals and places well.

Sport Horse in Hand is a different kind of "halter" class, except at 3 she'd be shown in the bridle. They are judged on whether they fit their type, hunter or dressage and WP can most likely be shown as a dressage type because of the suspension in the gaits. They are shown on the triangle, which is actually 2; a small one and a larger one. You walk on the two long sides of the triangle and really try to extend the stride on the long side. Then you trot the bigger triangle and again, really extend the trot on the long side, but don't canter. Then you square up and the judge looks you over and you're scored on gaits, manners, type, Arabian type (10%) not like main ring where it's a huge component and subject to whims, and your scores are totalled up. At the big shows like Nationals, you'll be scored by 2 judges, a hunter judge and a dressage judge, which can help you a bit if one likes your horse and one doesn't so much. , here's a video of someone schooling on the triangle, it'll help give you an idea.

I don't know what you mean by Arabian Breeder's Club? I checked Data Source and she's not Breeders Sweepstakes nominated, that's the only other program I'm aware of, unless it's some kind of regional club thing?
     
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    06-03-2012, 01:00 PM
  #12
Foal
Im not sure what it is either, but she put that in the ad, so I figured somebody who's knowledgeable with arabians would know what it means. Also, what do you feel would be a fair price for a mare like her?
     
    06-03-2012, 01:45 PM
  #13
Trained
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Originally Posted by Born2Ride    
Im not sure what it is either, but she put that in the ad, so I figured somebody who's knowledgeable with arabians would know what it means. Also, what do you feel would be a fair price for a mare like her?

Honestly, up where you are, I have no idea. Down here, I probably would have a hard time giving her away. We're still suffering from drought and if you can sell at all it will be for peanuts, doesn't matter how good the horse is. Based on what I saw of her pedigree, she's really well bred, seller disclosed that she's SCID clear (but I'd want to see the results from the lab anyhow and an ethical seller would provide it no problem) but she's never been shown and she's not started so I wouldn't be looking to pay much for her. If you have thoughts of breeding her, I'd ask the seller if she's been tested for CA and LFS, both tests are fairly new and a lot of people haven't even heard of them yet. CA = Cerebellar Abiotrophy, looks like Wobbles but isn't and LFS = Lavender Foal Syndrome, mostly found in Egyptians but can be in any line and is lethal for the foal if 2 carriers both throw their LFS gene.

For price, pull up a sale site and narrow it down to prices for Arabian Mares in your area and try to compare like to like. For instance, 3 - 5 years, good pedigree, good looks, not broke, never shown. I'm going to guess it'll be under $1000. See if you can find 10 mares and check their prices and sort of average it out and see where you land.

To give you an idea of how bad it is down here, I have 3 weaners, all nice but 2 are definitely not Main Ring Halter material. 1 is pure the other half. 1 a colt, the other a filly. The 3rd one is pretty stellar and before I'll give her away, I'll keep her for a while. But the other 2, while very nice and would show well especially Sport Horse, if times were good should sell for around $1500 each. Today, with the drought, .........pfffft, I'll be very very lucky to get $500 for them, I'm thinking more like $400. The stud fee was $1500 for each mare, and vet costs........well, you see where I'm going. Needless to say, I won't be breeding much longer if this keeps up. In an area with plenty of hay, I might get $750 - $1000 for them, but I still wouldn't break even.

I hope some of this helps you. Good luck on your search!
     
    06-03-2012, 01:52 PM
  #14
Foal
Thanks for the information, she's actually not in my location though. She's located in WI and i'd have to her shipped down, she's asking $1,500 for her, and it would probably cost me atleast $500 to have her shipped to me. (if not more)
     
    06-03-2012, 07:41 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by Born2Ride    
Thanks for the information, she's actually not in my location though. She's located in WI and i'd have to her shipped down, she's asking $1,500 for her, and it would probably cost me atleast $500 to have her shipped to me. (if not more)

Keep looking for a while, the closer you get to fall/winter the more the prices will probably start to drop. Major shopping rule, NEVER pay full price.
     
    06-03-2012, 07:55 PM
  #16
Foal
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
Keep looking for a while, the closer you get to fall/winter the more the prices will probably start to drop. Major shopping rule, NEVER pay full price.
Ya, everybody wants full price because I want to make payments. I had somebody offer me a sea 2012 colt for 3,000 delivered. So im thinking prices haven't dropped that drastically because of the economy lol
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    06-03-2012, 08:20 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by Born2Ride    
Ya, everybody wants full price because I want to make payments. I had somebody offer me a sea 2012 colt for 3,000 delivered. So im thinking prices haven't dropped that drastically because of the economy lol
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Don't tell them you want to make payments up front. Negotiate your selling price first, then say that you'll need to make X number of payments for X amount, are willing to give X down as a non-refundable deposit and will pay for board, vet and farrier care while the horse is getting paid off.

I have done many deals like that and it generally works out well for all involved. As seller, I also guarantee (if it's a baby), that the foal will halter, lead, catch, ride in the trailer, stand for the farrier, bathe and clip. Depending on age it might not be perfect but with little ones any handling is better than none and it's training you don't have to do or pay for.

So, let's say I advertise a filly at $1500, she's 6 months old and weaned. I would expect someone to come in and offer between $750 and $1000 for an opener and I would accept $1250. They say I need to make 4 payments, and I say fine, give me 25% down non-refundable (so $250? Ish) and make 4 payments of $250 and you tell me when you can make those payments, (every month, every other, we negotiate a little) and you pay board at whatever the going rate is. Depending on how long you stretch it out, you'd pay farrier a few times ($35 each) and you'd need Coggins & Health from the vet, about $60? I think for both. At 6 months the foal would already have its first shots so wouldn't need them again til next time you do the rest of your herd or next spring if it was your only foal. So that actually makes it 5 payments + board. Hauling is of course, up to the buyer and is what it is.

Does that info/tactic help you out some?
     
    06-03-2012, 11:19 PM
  #18
Foal
Yes it does, I actually did that with the 2012 bay colt I posted a thread about. It was going to be $1,250 then once I said I'd do payments until he's weaned she said she would have to have the full $1,500 then. I don't understand what it matters if you get less. He can't go anywhere until he's weaned anyways, so I guess it doesn't make sense to be firm on the price because you don't get the lump some at once. Im looking at a lot of options right now and its kinda overwhelming to weed out the good deals from the bad.
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    06-03-2012, 11:30 PM
  #19
Green Broke
Well, it's a lot like car shopping. If I offer you cash money in hand I can get it cheaper than making payments. She needed the money bad enough to drop it, but if she has to take payments then no discount.
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    06-04-2012, 12:16 AM
  #20
Foal
Well the longer it takes me to find exactly what im looking for the more i'll have saved up to possibly buy one outright, or make a larger deposit.
     

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