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    03-05-2012, 02:23 PM
She is an Asgard filly, are they backyard breeders? They are fairly well renouned in my endurance circles. It never occurred to me that she would not be registered, but I cannot find her, or her dam either. I will have to ask them. Her site is Statistic.


They are asking 1500, which I am more than willing to pay for the right horse. I would also have to have her shipped to me, so I have to take that into account with regards to her price.
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    03-05-2012, 02:28 PM
What's the farm name? Are they in the Shenandoahs, or the Blue Ridge?
    03-05-2012, 02:32 PM
Green Broke
It says her sire is Syndicat...

When I use the term backyard breeder, I never mean disrespect by it. I don't mean "some idiot yokel breeding mutts". There are many backyard breeders I respect. To me, the term means "breeding medium to low grade horses." It doesn't mean they're garbage horses, it means they're "working class" horses that are not ever likely to make it into a National show ring like an Arab filly selling for $100,000 at birth because both her sire and dam and every other horse in her pedigree is also a National champion.

Just the fact that they're standing a stud with no credentials, and not very impressive parents himself with a whole herd of muddy awkward youngsters who haven't been groomed or clipped or bathed tends to put them into that "backyard breeder" category for me. They may be breeding some cute registered horses, but a $1500 price tag speaks for itself.

Depending on your area, I would say this may be a good price for her. I would expect her to be registered for that price though.
    03-05-2012, 02:37 PM
I'm in VA, and registered, performance bred youngsters from good bloodlines are going for $1,500-$3,500. More of course, if they've actually won some classes in a recognized breed show. Podunk, local shows don't count.

There's nothing about any of those horses that impress me, nor justify the $1,500 price tag. As Macabre stated, they're low to medium grade Arabians. Certainly not show bred animals, and at 2 y/o that filly has done nothing.

The fact that they're touting horses 3 to 5 generations back in her pedigree tell me they've done absolutely nothing with the horses they're breeding, except breeding them.
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    03-05-2012, 02:41 PM
Yeah- lol- when you say backyard breeder, I picture someone like me breeding my mare. I must have messed up somewhere on her sire. My apologies. I am never going to show... I simply don't know how to ride like that. I just have the opportunity to get more serious about my endurance, so I would like to get something with potential. Thank you so much.
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    03-05-2012, 02:57 PM
Green Broke
Yeah, Statistic would have been a slightly more impressive sire, but unfortunately, Syndicat is exactly as Speed Racer described.

We have a place here that breeds registerable purebred and half-bred Arabs for pet purposes. Nothing very impressive, a bunch of Arab studs that do nothing but breed but have decent conformation and mostly endurance backgrounds. I do tip my hat to them because they keep a few foals to train up and show, and they're basically proving that their stock is decent and holds up under work. They have some lovely Paint/Arab/Draft crosses that are in the Dressage ring and doing well. You can get a weanling/yearling/untrained 2 year old from them for $800 and they basically remind me exactly of this operation.

I think you could get a filly of her quality for cheaper, but in the end it really is what you're willing to pay! Around here, $800 is the going rate for anything half decently bred and is registerable (but not yet registered).
    03-05-2012, 04:37 PM
If you're looking to get serious about endurance I am thinking you can find a horse at the age of 3/4 for the same price that has been started/has miles on it. Just throwing it out there.
You would be waiting 3 years to compete in endurance with this filly.
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    03-05-2012, 07:59 PM
Without registration papers you have nothing to denote her breeding. To me, any responsible breeder will not have a foal coming that late in the season. They often don't seem to do as well.The only way to verify if her breeding is who the seller claims is thro a DNA test. This works IF both mare and stallion have been DNA'd.
    03-05-2012, 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
Without registration papers you have nothing to denote her breeding. To me, any responsible breeder will not have a foal coming that late in the season. They often don't seem to do as well.The only way to verify if her breeding is who the seller claims is thro a DNA test. This works IF both mare and stallion have been DNA'd.

I won't even consider getting her if she is not registered. No offense to grade horses... I just won't ship one across the country. I asked him about registration. I am waiting back for an answer. It would be odd if he was not breeding registered Arabs in my mind.
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    03-07-2012, 11:08 AM
I like her. She is not very typy, and certainly not something I would buy to breed or show (note-given current trends in the breed, that is NOT a slam), but she appears to be pretty correct as far as her legs go. She has a nice shoulder and hip (as does her sire), which is often lacking in Arabs. Nice short back, overall nicely balanced. I think she will mature into a very elegant "useful" sort of mare.

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