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post #1 of 17 Old 07-17-2013, 12:55 AM Thread Starter
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Another dressage prospect...

Pros: She's a fantastically good-minded arab-warmblood cross, 10 years old.

Cons: IMO, her long back, pasterns and shoulder...

If you wanted to start at training level and work your way up potentially through 4th, would you consider this horse? Sorry that I don't have better confo pics! I may go see her in person, when which I'd take a few good shots. :) Hoping the video below can be a good indicator.

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post #2 of 17 Old 07-17-2013, 01:23 AM
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Due to her long back, she may have more trouble working on the bit and collecting than your normal horse, however in the photos she is tracking up well and looks to be doing all right.
It's your call whether to buy her or not, if everything else is perfect I would go ahead and get her anyway.
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I am of no use to you to discuss confirmation, however, that horse is stunning! Good luck.
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Embeded the video-- there we go! Ya know, I can't decide if that back is a deal-breaker.
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I wasn't going to say anything since your conformation picture isn't good enough for me to give a confident critique, particularly for mid level dressage (needs to have no tack, and taken straight on, not at an angle like it is).

But I wanted to say regarding her longer back.

It's hard to judge whether the back is a weak one or not. It matters how far back the withers sink to the back. Because the picture is angled, I can't confidently judge the coupling and loin, which are more important in my opinion. (I can't view videos right now, so can't use that to supplement). A powerful loin and coupling with good hindquarter angles can overcome A LOT of other conformation faults.

Someone with more experience in actually selecting dressage horses would help better here. I'm pretty good at looking at pictures, but I don't want to say what I think because I'm not as confident for judging potential higher level horses.
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I like her. She had a neat look about her, and seems willing. I don't know why, but I find her quite attractive.
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According to the video, when she canters she does not track up properly in her hind legs. This will mark her down in tests as it proves she is not using her back properly. Not sure if this is due to a weak back or back issues or not enough collected work/long and low lungeing.
She is very pretty with tons of bling, I can see her doing well in the show ring and may well prove to be a good dressage horse as well.
her knee action is very cute.
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I don't think you can tell enough about her back from the "conformation" picture you have.

What I saw in the video was a tense, stiff horse with a pretty decent range of movement for being as tense as she was. The rider appeared to be "setting" the head rather than teaching the horse to move toward the bit and over her back. However, if you look at the trot and canter work, the horse is still flexing at the sacroiliac joint (not always, but when she relaxes a bit she does), stepping well under itself, and has good articulation in the hocks. Has decent jump in the canter for what's being asked of her. Good basic gaits from what I could see. Walk seemed a little lateral. That could be due to tension. I'd want to see her walk out in the pasture or something to determine if it's the result of the rider or natural.

Rider seemed to be a hand rider mainly, and causing a lot of the tension in the horse. Hard to say for sure though. It could be the horse was very tense to begin with, and rider was reacting to that.

I don't see Fourth being out of the realm of possibility for this mare. What I see as the biggest issues is she doesn't have any basics and she's 10. You'd have to start from scratch with the mare.

Also, unless you're an Arab fan, don't buy an Arab cross. She might be good-minded, but that doesn't mean she isn't thinking about 20 ways to evading working correctly. You won't get to repeat (in a row) an exercise with an Arab cross. Warmbloods you can usually get away with doing an exercise a few times to get it right. Arab will have you at her mercy if you try something more then twice. You really have to be a smart rider to stay two steps ahead of an Arab cross. The people I've know who owned Arab crosses either love them or HATE them with a passion.

I like the mare. If the price were right, I'd buy her (with the intention of taking her though Fourth). However, her lack of correct training in combination with her age would make me shy away from buying her.

This is just my opinion.
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post #9 of 17 Old 07-17-2013, 12:54 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the detailed responses! I really appreciate the critiques. I have an arabian gelding who I started on training level, but unfortunately I suspect he has some early arthritis going on in one of his hocks. Hence the passive search for a new dressage horse.

I finally received some non-saddled pictures of this mare. Unfortunately she's "sporthorse square" aka not at all squared up. Let me know what you see!

ETA... the owner was originally asking for $8500, but I told her there's no way, my budget is between 5-7k max. She told me to come out and if it's a good pair we'll "work something out." Still unsure about that price.
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Core, do you find arab crosses to be that much trickier than purebred arabs? I have been working on dressage basics with my gelding (from negative-square-one... he was a "western pleasure" horse when I bought him) and while he can be a challenge, our successes are that much more rewarding and wonderful. When he lifted his back to stretch his topline in our free walk at our first dressage show this weekend I almost cried! haha!
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