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        12-29-2011, 05:50 AM
      #21
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    Originally Posted by sierrams1123    
    hey iridehorses where are you from, if you don't mind me asking?
    I only ask this because I notice your location states SC but that you stated east coast.
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    I'm outside Greenville. Born in Westchester Cty, NY but spent 20 years in Bucks County (outside Philly) before moving here 11 years ago.

    Quality barrel horses seem to bring a premium price here but registered WP prospects, trail horses, with good breeding sell regularly in the $1,500 and under range. I still have contacts from NY to FL and TX. I don't know the market in New England but it sure sounds like it's still strong compared to here. A horse like the one the OP is looking at simply wouldn't bring that price tag here but that doesn't mean he isn't worth it where he is.
         
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        12-29-2011, 11:32 PM
      #22
    Weanling
    We went and looked at him today. So far the best prospect...the right one? I don't know, but definitely a good prospect. A couple of issues...he was once a dude string horse, and has a little bit of attitude about people on his face a lot. With gentle hands, he seemed to get into frame okay. His previous owner attempted to game him too. Around here, gamers are different than true barrel racers. MANY (not all) gamers around here spur the snot out of horses, and rip on their faces but don't TRAIN. He was spurred and ripped. He's VERY sensitive to spurs. When his owner tried to spur him, he crow hopped, swished his tail and protested, before he gave in. I was about to walk out, but then we decided to let my daughter ride him (without spurs). That went much better. Only a couple of tail swishes in the first minute, then he didn't do it again. She had him walk/jogging, doing circles, pivots, hind/fore quarter turns, sidepassing, etc.

    I think he might be slightly downhill, but it didn't seem like he was too heavy on the front end or anything. He did seem to respond to the gentleness of a kid rather than a harsher adult. She is open to a 30 day trial at our facility. I'm going to try to ride him again next weekend, and have my daughter take her saddle so she can ask a little more of him and see just how sensitive he is. He is not a $3000 horse. Here are some pictures. It is hard to get pictures in an aisle way because I can't get far enough away. It looks like his feet are relatively level on the floor, but the stall walls look slanted. I hope you can get a better idea of him.

    Straight hocks? Slightly down hill? That's what I see.










    My daughter (9 years, 5') She's in a 15.5 inch saddle and the stirrups are slightly long, so she didn't get above a jog today.



    My trainer's initial thoughts were "let's do the trial" but she just called and said lets ride him again, and see if we can push a few more buttons and see what his reaction is. We're coming off of a boarder at the barn having a bad wreck with her pony, and trainer is slightly paranoid about matching people to horses right now. The right horse is critical, and one that has too many or too sensitive buttons is not a good match.

    My thoughts: much better candidate than the rest. Needs some TLC, gentler handling, very sensitive. (all would be things my daughter would do well). Might be a little pissy, maybe too much so. Decent size, observes all that's going on around him, but doesn't "react" to it. He knew where the people were, what the other horse was doing, but didn't react to whips cracking, things falling, etc. Definitely high on our list of candidates.
         
        12-30-2011, 06:42 AM
      #23
    Yearling
    After looking at close ups of his head, he could very well be deaf. Paint horses with the color pattern he has, very high white on the head that extends above both eyes....are prone to deafness. My trainer had a few in the barn. This could be why he didn't respond to noise stimuli.
         
        12-30-2011, 07:02 AM
      #24
    Trained
    I would strongly suggest that your trainer ride him also, not just your daughter. The trainer should be able to try and "push those buttons" a bit better than your 9 yr old. When wanting a horse for a kid, or a non-confident adult especially, I like to see this happen. They can flail their arms, yank a bit, bounce around, kick innappropriately(purposely) and generally be a little obnoxious to see how the horse reacts. I would think you would want a horse who is more forgiving and will put up with some of that, or at least know what he may do in thosse situations.

    I think it is great the owner will let him go on trial-that will give you a good opportunity to get to know him for sure, but it is difficult with a 9 yr old.....they become attached pretty ewasily, so also good you are going to try him again prior. Hopefully the owner is amennable to less $$ for him-if not, you may have to walk away, at least for now, until he is for sale a bit longer and she realizes it.

    Good luck-we will be looking for updates!
         
        12-30-2011, 08:41 AM
      #25
    Weanling
    I didnt like the picture of someone standing behind him and his ears are flat back and his demeanor isnt to happy I'd worry about a kick that behvior for me esp with him intended for a kid would be a turn off not a deal breaker but something that would concern me I know my 10 yr old likes to clean feet.
         
        12-30-2011, 09:03 AM
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    I didnt like the picture of someone standing behind him and his ears are flat back and his demeanor isnt to happy
    His ears are attentive to what is going on behind him. They are far from flat back as in a menacing way. I see his demeanor as just checking it out, not unhappy.
         
        12-30-2011, 09:20 AM
      #27
    Trained
    I agree. He is NOT looking crabby or annoyed at all. Simply paying attention.
         
        12-30-2011, 09:39 AM
      #28
    Weanling
    [QUOTE=franknbeans;1285979]I agree. He is NOT looking crabby or annoyed at all. Simply paying attention.[/QUOTE

    That my be but I'm still going with the side of caution.
         
        12-30-2011, 10:05 AM
      #29
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    After looking at close ups of his head, he could very well be deaf. Paint horses with the color pattern he has, very high white on the head that extends above both eyes....are prone to deafness. My trainer had a few in the barn. This could be why he didn't respond to noise stimuli.

    No, he's not deaf. He heard stuff. He'd flick his ears, or raise his head, but he didn't spook or panic. He looked at everything with a concerned look but handled it. There are 4 APHA horses at our barn that have very similar markings and not a sign of deafness. He certain heard things, but just handled them well.

    As for my trainer riding...she's off a horse for a while. She's recovering from a broken nose. I'll ride him and I think I'll see if my cousin will ride him also. She's a little less cautious than me, and a little more apt to push him to the point of frustration to see where his tolerance level is.
         
        12-30-2011, 10:15 AM
      #30
    Started
    How does he react to a regular bit if he is going to be ridden in western shows? I see you are riding him with a d ring snaffle and while snaffles are great for training and trail riding, you can't use that in Western shows. Did you ride him in anything else?
         

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