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    12-08-2011, 04:25 PM
  #11
Trained
If it can't jump... there is probably a reason. Anything athletic, sound and sane enough to do Dressage should also be able to jump with ease. She looks like she has a weak hind quarter with a long back and long loin - not ideal conformation for a horse we want to be able to sit and collect.
Either she will have blah, weak movement behind and that will be what restricts her from doing well at even second level or she will compensate for her bad loins with exaggerated stifle and hock movement and end up with joint problems and that is what will keep her from doing upper levels.

Either way if you do keep looking at the mare I would get a thorough vet check and figure out why she won't jump...
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    12-08-2011, 04:28 PM
  #12
Yearling
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
If it can't jump... there is probably a reason. Anything athletic, sound and sane enough to do Dressage should also be able to jump with ease. She looks like she has a weak hind quarter with a long back and long loin - not ideal conformation for a horse we want to be able to sit and collect.
Either she will have blah, weak movement behind and that will be what restricts her from doing well at even second level or she will compensate for her bad loins with exaggerated stifle and hock movement and end up with joint problems and that is what will keep her from doing upper levels.

Either way if you do keep looking at the mare I would get a thorough vet check and figure out why she won't jump...
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the OP says the horse doesnt like to jump.. didnt say she wont jump.. but agree with Anebel, always want to get a PPE
     
    12-09-2011, 05:24 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
She looks like she has a weak hind quarter with a long back and long loin - not ideal conformation for a horse we want to be able to sit and collect.

I agree.

And if it were ridden the way that is shown in that picture, I would question the training.
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    12-09-2011, 06:13 PM
  #14
Yearling
I don't think she's a terrible-looking horse for lower levels and I don't think Golden Horse is aiming to do FEI. I've seen worse. I'd have to see her move, though, to really have an opinion.

I too would be concerned about why she "doesn't like" to jump.
     
    12-09-2011, 06:23 PM
  #15
Trained
She is a 1999 WB mare, 16. 3 hh, and as you can see BUILT

The seller states:

She has shown hunter to 2' as a 4yr old but then started to stop at the jumps so she was being rode by a dressage rider from Germany and she was doing 1 level movement and a few 2nd. Has shown at w/t, training and first level. Packed tons of riders around to there first shows.


So she was retired from jumping in 2003, if she was 4 and quit on it, so she has had 7 or 8 years of being a flat horse, does that make a difference?

Obviously PPE, but once again a horse that is not currently under saddle, for a very good reason, but would have to buy this one on her reputation as a good horse. I'm waiting on videos at the moment, she is kind of second in line just now, want to look at the other grey, (why are the all turning out to be greys at the moment ) first to either include him in or out of the equation
     
    12-09-2011, 06:32 PM
  #16
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
She is a 1999 WB mare, 16. 3 hh, and as you can see BUILT

The seller states:

She has shown hunter to 2' as a 4yr old but then started to stop at the jumps so she was being rode by a dressage rider from Germany and she was doing 1 level movement and a few 2nd. Has shown at w/t, training and first level. Packed tons of riders around to there first shows.


So she was retired from jumping in 2003, if she was 4 and quit on it, so she has had 7 or 8 years of being a flat horse, does that make a difference?

Obviously PPE, but once again a horse that is not currently under saddle, for a very good reason, but would have to buy this one on her reputation as a good horse. I'm waiting on videos at the moment, she is kind of second in line just now, want to look at the other grey, (why are the all turning out to be greys at the moment ) first to either include him in or out of the equation

I like the 'dressage rider from Germany' bit. That means burger all to be fair, most 'dressage riders' I've met out here don't even break their own horses. So I'd question her training. It depends what you want to do at the end, if you're happy doing something here and there, great. If you're wanting to go to high level dressage, you need something better- but that costs money.


HOWEVER she obviously has the been there done that tshirt, and you have to ask yourself, as anebel pointed out, why is there a reason she doesn't enjoy jumping- is it pain related?- and only done w/t tests. What are YOU looking to do, she's 12, which isn't old, but if you're looking for something to do w/t/c tests I'd look for something at that age that had done it, or at least has the potential to do it.

Good luck.
     
    12-09-2011, 06:44 PM
  #17
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HOWEVER she obviously has the been there done that tshirt, and you have to ask yourself, as anebel pointed out, why is there a reason she doesn't enjoy jumping- is it pain related?- and only done w/t tests.

Good luck.
Just pointing out she has done walk trot, and training, which is a canter test, and first level which is the start of very basic lateral work.

I don't know about the not jumping bit, if she has been sound for 8 years not jumping, was it pain that stopped her jumping, answer, IDK yet.

I know I have a tendency to sound defensive when talking about potential buys, but honestly it's just trying to understand why people say what they do, and how they draw conclusions, it really helps me in looking 'behind the ad' so to speak, and the best way to do that is for me to advocate FOR the horse, and let others knock it down
     
    12-09-2011, 06:52 PM
  #18
Green Broke
I know what you mean, but I find people that write less spiel, and get to the point are the ones I'm more drawn too.

I couldn't give two hoots about who has ridden this horse and wher they've come from, or packed tons of riders to shows.

I want to know that she's been out of work, has jumped, didn't enjoy it and safe to take to shows has competed or placed at w/t.

People that write loads generally have something to hide behind, that's what I've learnt finding me and others horses over the past couple of years. In all honesty, you have shown us a few horses in every different range from unbroken to projects to expensive lookers... my friend was the same and I told her to go away, figure out what she wanted from age, potential, experience, discipline and height range, write it down and do not stray from it. There are plnety of horses that will fit in to those cats, you just have to find it and have the patience to do so.

All you can do is try though, sometimes it doesn't matter if they don't reach the top, Duffy probably won't and as soon as I got on her we clicked, I can't explain it, but she was the 8th horse I'd tried, and she was the right one.
     
    12-09-2011, 07:46 PM
  #19
Trained
Really? Stopping at a 2' fence?! I agree with duffy after reading that ad the mare is probably lame. First level also has no lateral work.... and guessing by the sellers description she's probably also had her head cranked in really far and they called it a shoulder in and the horse is magically schooling second level...

What exactly are you looking for?
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    12-09-2011, 08:04 PM
  #20
Yearling
I'm a terrible pedant and am always put off my sellers or potential buyers (if I am the seller) who can't spell, or in this case, confuse "there" and "their." Get someone to proofread your ad, man. That's just me, though.

In any case, why is she out of work just now? If I were buying a "made" horse, I wouldn't be overly thrilled by the prospect of bringing a twelve-year old into work after a long lay-off.

What are your dressage goals? Should we be evaluating horses you post here as potential First Level horses or potential FEI horses or somewhere in-between?

I've just wasted a bit of time looking at Canadian horse classified websites -- maybe not the best ones, as I just Googled it -- and I can't say I found *anything* I liked that wasn't a silly amount of money. I was surprised, because if I wanted to buy a new horse for myself tomorrow, a search of UK horse classified yields quite a few reasonable-looking dressage prospects that were not unaffordable.
     

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