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    12-09-2011, 09:10 PM
now you are going to have to color me confused all over again..

Anebel you say "First level also has no lateral work"

But this is my understanding of what I described as basic lateral work

The leg yield is a lateral movement introduced in First Level
Is that not correct??

How can you tell by the sellers description that
her head was cranked in really far
Again, to be fair this mare is not advertised, what I gave you was the info given to me by email, so it's not a sales ad.

I still have a struggle believing that the mare has been carrying lameness for the 8 years that she has been schooling, showing and being used for lessons on the flat without showing signs, seeing as they quit jumping her that long ago, understand yet again, neither am I saying that she is sound, because I don't know, I'm just wondering on this point.

OK, new question, given that she passed a PPE what would you pay for her?? Oh and remember that on the prairies here the market is stronger than for you guys down south

And what do I want, actually the head says really something like this girl (if sound) From her description she is sane, rideable, uncomplicated, rides at the right level for me now, and I could have safe fun on her for a few years, which given my age makes a boat load of sense.

Heart says the Andalusian, being as I can work a cracking deal on him, involving an exchange, and he is a big ***** cat, and IF he vetted clean I could have a ball on him starting him from scratch again. He is SUPPOSED to be a calm and sane boy, he has had 60 days training on him, and has been ridden outside of that, and is reported to be comfortable and with great gaits, of course I can't confirm that.

THEN head says, get the Andi, bring him on right, you have an appreciating asset over the next few years, buy the mare and soon she will be at an age where her worth will start going down.

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    12-09-2011, 09:18 PM
I'd really have to see a video of the mare to have any feelings about her one way or the other.

As far as the Andalusian-X goes, I really didn't like his trot. And that's at liberty, so you can't even blame it on someone's shoddy riding. That's the gait you have to work with, and as a few folk on your other thread said, it's not a lot. Even for First Level, I'd want something with a little bit more suspension and engagement and its hind end more naturally underneath it. It makes the self-carriage thing much easier.
    12-09-2011, 09:23 PM
Leg yield is not a lateral movement. Lateral movements require bend, leg yield is performed with the body straight from ears to tail.
The statement about the bad shoulder in and calling it "schooling second level" is based in experience. If the horse hasn't shown and done respectively in second level, its not a second level horse.

People ride and show lame horses in the lower levels all the time and either are too inexperienced or the lameness is too subtle or in enough legs it balances out that it never gets taken seriously, diagnosed or treated.

A 12 year old horse with questionable conformation and in-notable breeding that does training level Dressage, in any economy is worth as much as they weigh.

You seem to be looking at horses all over the map. Do you want a young prospect or an older packer? What level do you want to do?
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    12-09-2011, 10:17 PM
Originally Posted by thesilverspear    
I'm a terrible pedant and am always put off my sellers or potential buyers (if I am the seller) who can't spell, or in this case, confuse "there" and "their." Get someone to proofread your ad, man. That's just me, though.
Trouble is out here if you discounted all the ads with basic errors in spelling, then the already small pool of available horses would shrink even further. Just this evening I have cringed at an ad for a 'Philly' *shuddders* and thinks for some reason I could do with a sandwich

Originally Posted by thesilverspear    
In any case, why is she out of work just now? If I were buying a "made" horse, I wouldn't be overly thrilled by the prospect of bringing a twelve-year old into work after a long lay-off.
Because her owner had to move to find work, where the work is the cost of living and boarding is crazy, and so she sits, like so many horses on the prairies here. An awful lot sit for 6 months over the winter, and summers seem to rush past and you can easily end up with your horse sitting for a year.

Originally Posted by thesilverspear    
What are your dressage goals? Should we be evaluating horses you post here as potential First Level horses or potential FEI horses or somewhere in-between?
Somewhere in between, first possibly second level

Originally Posted by thesilverspear    
I've just wasted a bit of time looking at Canadian horse classified websites -- maybe not the best ones, as I just Googled it -- and I can't say I found *anything* I liked that wasn't a silly amount of money. I was surprised, because if I wanted to buy a new horse for myself tomorrow, a search of UK horse classified yields quite a few reasonable-looking dressage prospects that were not unaffordable.
And there is the heart of the issue, shopping on a limited budget up here makes the possibilities few and far between, and BTW the distances to go and see and try horses crippling
    12-10-2011, 07:55 AM
Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
Because her owner had to move to find work, where the work is the cost of living and boarding is crazy, and so she sits, like so many horses on the prairies here. An awful lot sit for 6 months over the winter, and summers seem to rush past and you can easily end up with your horse sitting for a year.

Somewhere in between, first possibly second level

And there is the heart of the issue, shopping on a limited budget up here makes the possibilities few and far between, and BTW the distances to go and see and try horses crippling
Yeah, I was thinking that I didn't envy you. :)

I'd definitely be interested in seeing the mare, if I were in your shoes. She doesn't have a disastrous conformation. If you have Second Level in your sights, I would be dubious of the Andalusian. You don't need an amazing mover but I see that horse having a bit of trouble with both the collection and most certainly the mediums required at Second Level. Even quality Iberian horses can struggle a bit with medium and extended gaits, and that one isn't.
    12-10-2011, 08:52 AM
The second photo is cleverly posed; it emphasizes all the parts of her confo that make her suited for dressage - uphill build, big laid back should, and a head and neck that ties into the shoulder high., long forearm to cannon, clean, flat knees.

However, neither photo lets you see her back or hind end. She looks a trifle long backed to me, and perhaps short/weak in the quarter.

I would first ask for better photo or video, then go see her. She has a lot to recommend her, but you need to evaluate the total package.

Oh, the first photo where she's clearly behind the bit at the halt and bent at the third vertebra gives me some concern about what her previous dressage training was like.
    12-11-2011, 12:24 AM
I don't mind her,but again I like the grey gelding still too!
Don't know your price range but also came across this well trained appendix QH Gelding.Securitee Breach, 2003*AQHA (appendix)*Bay*Gelding - for sale
    12-11-2011, 01:07 AM
*mumble, mumble, mumble* I don't want a QH I know that they are great horses, but it's not what I want here!
    12-11-2011, 01:22 AM
I think it's worth asking for a proper conformation picture. We all know how easy it is to skew a horse's picture--for better or for worse. You can't really judge her fairly at this point, and there's no reason to cross her out already!
    12-11-2011, 02:22 AM
Yup I've asked for more pics, so we'll have to see what arrives

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