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        04-26-2013, 05:36 PM
      #61
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by BarrelracingArabian    
    a stallion is not a good mount for a young rider so I would go against him for your cousin just for the fact that there will be mares around , he is a stud and your cousin isn't advanced enough to know how to handle that situation, heck I'm not even willing to be in that situation. I do know many places won't allow anyone under 18 to show a stallion.

    Teaser stallion isn't a bad idea.
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    Chief has had an 8 year old girl ride him around at an event. We wouldnt take him if he wasnt kid safe. He has had mares squat and pee about four or five feet infront of him and he wont do a thing. Sure he sniffs like any other stallion or proud cut, but he wont flehmanor he wont move toward her, whinny, or drop. The man who trained him for cutting trained him very nice stallion manners.
         
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        04-26-2013, 05:41 PM
      #62
    Foal
    OP - I don't post a lot, as I figure I still need to read & learn more than share, but this thread made me want to offer you another perspective on the idea of not gelding him.

    I've not got nearly enough experience yet to make any critique. However, there are many seasoned people/experts on this forum whose opinions I value greatly and love learning from their experience and believe that he is probably not one you want to keep a stud. They have given you good advice and while I understand you would like to be able to earn some $$ with your stud, or maybe just a personal reason for not wanting to geld him, please at least consider looking at it from another standpoint, one that I offer with personal experience.

    Your horse is a stud, he wants to breed. It's the way nature made him. Horses do escape sometimes, no matter how great your enclosure and studs do breed others' mares accidentally. My neighbor has a stud he also refuses to geld and occasionally he does show up here, where I have a young mare. So far I have seen or heard him before he got close enough to her to get up to no good and we have avoided accidental breeding. So far...and I go out of my way to try to ensure that doesn't happen. But my mare carries frame and he appears to possibly also carry frame and that frightens me. Should he ever get to her and manage to breed her, I'm potentially stuck with the loss and heartbreak of her delivering a lethal white. Unless we were able to know she'd been bred and stop the pregnancy early.

    From that standpoint alone, why chance him accidentally breeding someone else's mare and possibly throwing a lethal white foal (I agree with other(s) about the potential for frame there)? Or as others have said, throwing foals could end up going to slaughter, or end up abused, neglected and/or PTS early because they couldn't hold up to hard work long-term?

    Just please at least consider gelding him. He does have beautiful coloring and looks like a good-minded horse, why not just love & enjoy him as a gelding and give him a little different (or less) work?
         
        04-26-2013, 05:44 PM
      #63
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Djinnjer    
    OP - I don't post a lot, as I figure I still need to read & learn more than share, but this thread made me want to offer you another perspective on the idea of not gelding him.

    I've not got nearly enough experience yet to make any critique. However, there are many seasoned people/experts on this forum whose opinions I value greatly and love learning from their experience and believe that he is probably not one you want to keep a stud. They have given you good advice and while I understand you would like to be able to earn some $$ with your stud, or maybe just a personal reason for not wanting to geld him, please at least consider looking at it from another standpoint, one that I offer with personal experience.

    Your horse is a stud, he wants to breed. It's the way nature made him. Horses do escape sometimes, no matter how great your enclosure and studs do breed others' mares accidentally. My neighbor has a stud he also refuses to geld and occasionally he does show up here, where I have a young mare. So far I have seen or heard him before he got close enough to her to get up to no good and we have avoided accidental breeding. So far...and I go out of my way to try to ensure that doesn't happen. But my mare carries frame and he appears to possibly also carry frame and that frightens me. Should he ever get to her and manage to breed her, I'm potentially stuck with the loss and heartbreak of her delivering a lethal white. Unless we were able to know she'd been bred and stop the pregnancy early.

    From that standpoint alone, why chance him accidentally breeding someone else's mare and possibly throwing a lethal white foal (I agree with other(s) about the potential for frame there)? Or as others have said, throwing foals could end up going to slaughter, or end up abused, neglected and/or PTS early because they couldn't hold up to hard work long-term?

    Just please at least consider gelding him. He does have beautiful coloring and looks like a good-minded horse, why not just love & enjoy him as a gelding and give him a little different (or less) work?
    As I said before. Im not gelding him. Thank you though
         
        04-26-2013, 05:49 PM
      #64
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aesthetic    
    and im not gelding him.
    Which once again begs the question: WHY NOT?

    Is it the money? Use the money from covering those two Jutland mares.

    Talk to Poco1220 on here. She had an absolutely superb paint stallion that she used to breed and then made the decision to geld him when she was no longer going to use him for breeding. Come to find out, he made an even better gelding!

    The thing about a stud is that, no matter how well they are trained, you always have to watch them and be on alert. Natural instincts (especially the instincts to breed) can take over at any moment and can, and will, override any training he has. The desire/instinct to procreate comes before all and they don't have the reasoning abilities of humans to say "Wait, what I'm doing may hurt someone or goes against all the training I've had."

    The life of a stud unable to breed is no life I'd wish on even the rankest stallion. Nothing but endless frustration, which can easily turn to violence.

    Everyone always says "But Snookums would never hurt me"...and then they end up in the hospital because "Snookums" did what any stallion intent on mating would do and removed the obstacle (the owner) keeping him from doing what millions of years of biology and instinct is telling him to do.
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        04-26-2013, 05:52 PM
      #65
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aesthetic    
    Im being told he is no good to breed, and im not gelding him. So a teaser stallion would be a nice spot for him. And well those jobs happen don't they.
    So even if you decide that he is not good enough to breed what is your reasoning behind still keeping him a stallion?
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        04-26-2013, 05:57 PM
      #66
    Started
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aesthetic    
    Chief has had an 8 year old girl ride him around at an event. We wouldnt take him if he wasnt kid safe. He has had mares squat and pee about four or five feet infront of him and he wont do a thing. Sure he sniffs like any other stallion or proud cut, but he wont flehmanor he wont move toward her, whinny, or drop. The man who trained him for cutting trained him very nice stallion manners.
    Dear God...
    Is this thread continuing simply to see how many people come uncorked????
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        04-26-2013, 05:58 PM
      #67
    Yearling
    Because I don't want to geld him. Simple as that. My stud my choice, correct?
         
        04-27-2013, 10:42 AM
      #68
    Super Moderator
    The responses here have been varied and good. Now itís time to put this thread to rest and the let the OP do decide what to do with her horse.
         

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