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post #11 of 32 Old 01-31-2012, 12:21 PM
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I don't see anything that screams "breed me" but there isn't anything terrible about her either. I don't think her age or the changes to her joints would prohibit breeding. Doc O Lena was foundered so bad she could barely walk and she had two foals. You might have heard of them Dry Doc and Smart Little Lena!

I'm kind of the opinion that there are a lot of horses to choose from right now and it would be much cheaper and faster to find one you liked and buy it rather than trying to raise one yourself. It takes much less time and you get to pick the color and the gender.

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post #12 of 32 Old 01-31-2012, 01:29 PM Thread Starter
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well, first off, I really appreciate every1's responses....i love this forum.......I guess i should have elaborated..I was discussing a breeding, and I was concerned for her joints...it take calcium to make a baby......however embyonic transfer is too rich for my blood and probably hers too. I was considering another breeding to Hickory's indian Pep for another foal since the cross turned out great before, but she is older and doesnt have much of a job other than light lessons and trail riding, and keeping the other mares in line lol. I have her on platinum performance to addres joint issues, but I assure you all that I am hardly sold on the idea. she has first and foremost earned her keep, and deserves a comfortable, easy life.
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I think if she is still sound enough to ride, she is sound enough to breed, IMO. You can always keep her on great supplements and lay off riding her. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't, if it were something you were aiming to do. With that cross being proven, you know what you would pretty much get in a foal. She has proven herself in her cutting carreer, so I'd go for it if you were of a mind to. From what I understand, the mares who can no longer be ridden in the real world get put to work having babies.
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Hi, this is my 17 yr. old cutting mare, and I think she looks awesome, but wanted your opinions....her pedigree can be seen at allbreedpedigree.com/gamble+ona+fanny
This mare has a great set of hocks on her....LOVE the angle and how they line up with the knees.

About the joint problem....she's 17 years old, she was an athlete being a cutter, of course some arthritis is going to pop up. It's just the way nature is. Anyone on here with a horse in their late teens...there's going to be arthritis as the horse ages. If she's great minded and healthy (besides the arthritis), she might be capable of having one more foal. She's got the bloodlines and the performance herself to back it up. Best thing to do is have a serious talk with your vet.
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post #15 of 32 Old 02-01-2012, 12:34 AM
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I would not breed her because she has too many conformation faults. In fact, right now I wouldn't breed any mare because of the market situation.
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post #16 of 32 Old 02-01-2012, 01:00 AM
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Pics of the mare were taken at a bad angle,so not showing her conformation ideally. What I do see is a mare that looks good for her age,She has mild arthritis not a big surprise having been ridden for most of her life. Actually at her age she is sounder than alot of horse many years her junior.I like her overall conformation & she has a decent pedigree.She is not a maiden mare but has been a few years since her last foal,if she is still breeding sound, I would consider breeding her.
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She is not an outstanding looking mare and her pedigree is line breeding on Three Bars (not too unusual). All that being said, I normally would tell you to NOT BREED.. however I have one thing in that which would make me take another look.

Was this horse titled in cutting? Does she have real "cow" savvy? Did she do really good, useful, ranch work? If you can say an emphatic YES to all these questions, then I would look at breeding her to a stallion that throws "Cow" and is prepotent in the things she lacks.

Now, before I get blasted out of the water on this I am going to say something about some things I have learned about horses. Conformation is extremely important. It is. However, RARE is the horse that has real "cow." Sometimes, when you have the work ethic and the temperament and proven "cow" in a breed that was designed to have just that.. you need to think about passing it on. Lots of 'pretty' Quarterhorses out there that wouldn't know what to do with a cow if they tripped over one. That is a shame.

OTOH if she is just a real nice horse that washed out of cutting.. did not really have 'cow' then I would not breed her.

If I did breed her I would be looking at serious cutting horses with cutting lines.. San Peppy, Mr San Peppy etc. etc. And I would be prepared to prove that foal..
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She is not an outstanding looking mare and her pedigree is line breeding on Three Bars (not too unusual). All that being said, I normally would tell you to NOT BREED.. however I have one thing in that which would make me take another look.

Was this horse titled in cutting? Does she have real "cow" savvy? Did she do really good, useful, ranch work? If you can say an emphatic YES to all these questions, then I would look at breeding her to a stallion that throws "Cow" and is prepotent in the things she lacks.

Now, before I get blasted out of the water on this I am going to say something about some things I have learned about horses. Conformation is extremely important. It is. However, RARE is the horse that has real "cow." Sometimes, when you have the work ethic and the temperament and proven "cow" in a breed that was designed to have just that.. you need to think about passing it on. Lots of 'pretty' Quarterhorses out there that wouldn't know what to do with a cow if they tripped over one. That is a shame.

OTOH if she is just a real nice horse that washed out of cutting.. did not really have 'cow' then I would not breed her.

If I did breed her I would be looking at serious cutting horses with cutting lines.. San Peppy, Mr San Peppy etc. etc. And I would be prepared to prove that foal..
I am BY FAR a novice cutter and reiner, but my horse is not. she has SO much cow. I have spent several summers as a teenager working ranches and learning to work cattle from a rancher standpoint. she has won money alot for me but I am not someone who is traveling to futurities either. i have done great with everything from team penning(did great) and sorting to team roping(we sucked at it), to barrels and poles and western pleasure(placed a couple times, but never really good at it as she is a firecracker and the judges see her as not relaxed enough). I am in a position where I can pay a small stud fee due to the market and raise a foal. I am not opposed to buying instead of breeding, but I am not sure that I can find the bloodlines I want specifically. Here is a link to the stud I have been considering. It would be her second foal by him. Oswood Stallion Station
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What does the other foal look like? How is this boy's legs (not calf knee'd I hope?). Is the other foal more like Dad or Mom in looks? Actually I just saw the photo of him standing.. looks good in front.. a little butt high but cutting horses sometimes are. He is a bit posty behind but your mare is NOT.

He has the right blood lines. If this is for you.. breeding for your own use and possible training in cutting/ranch type work I would do it. I would do it because she has a "cow" and because the stud has the same.

Like I said.. I am all for breeding the perfcet looking horse. I am. But if you are breeding racing Thoroughbreds and the mare is a stakes winner and from a line of stakes winners and you have a stakes winning stallion that would nick well.. I say go for it.

Here you have a little horse with Cow and 'tude.. and who has shown up well for that work. A stallion with the right lines (including the Doc Bar line breeding.. and the San Peppy lines).. I think it is worth it.

Just try to get a look see at her other foal and what he/she is doing.

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I own her first foal, and he is a GEM. he looks more like stud, very baby doll head, good neck, smart as an arab, and catty and cowy, he is in training for reining and he is IMO perfect, I will post pics later
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