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post #21 of 28 Old 01-25-2012, 06:58 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by CLaPorte432 View Post
The two mares you posted would add quantity not quality to your program. There's nothing special about them. Just baby makers.

As far as the foals he's produced...They might have nice dispositions and personality, they are cute...But I honestly wouldn't give them a second look if I was in the market for
another horse.

We are not going to purchase the two mares. Could I ask why you wouldn't give our foals a second look?

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post #22 of 28 Old 01-25-2012, 07:01 PM
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The foals are just unspectacular. I can honestly find very comparable ones on Craiglist in the free to $500 range. They aren't "bad" horses....they just aren't great horses, either, and mediocre horses are a dime a dozen. Which doesn't mean they won't grow up to be sound, sane, useable horses. They probably will. But it's a flooded market right now, and if I was going to get a baby prospect, I'd either rescue one from a poor condition or pay a little more money and get an exceptional one.

This one, for example, is at a really awkward stage in growth, but he still has kinda wonky conformation, and doesn't look like he'd be the greatest mover or the best athlete. And it's a shame that he's a Paint that's going to gray out, for what that's worth.

Not the best photo for this one, but his front pasterns are long and weak, and that's a concern for future soundness.

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post #23 of 28 Old 01-25-2012, 08:19 PM
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Nor would I give them a second look. They are.. just horses. Lots and lots on the market and lots are free or nearly so. Many more just like these are in bad situations because people run out of money to keep them. This economy is not conducive to producing foals. Last year, by your own admission, there was a drought and the killers showed up at the auction and bought a bunch that were by your stallion. They bought them because there are so many just like them on the market.

If you want to raise meat, get cattle. If you want to breed horses, get better foundation stock. Get a mare that you cannot afford and breed her to a stallion that you could never afford to buy. Prove her colt or filly.. use that as your foundation.

People want made horses and horses that stand out. Horses that cost a lot to buy and even more to breed. Yours are OK.

In a poor market, OK does not cut it. In a poor market, OK horses go to slaughter and that is just sad.

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They are both decent horses but as far as conformation goes...not the best. I wouldn't bother breeding them but I think they could benefit from some nice collective riding to work on their back and neck muscles. The paint has great color.
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None of my stallions foals have gone to auction. That was a story about the prison horses, not to focus on the auction, but showing how their breeding program is very strict and keeps only the best blood. Our foals are purchased for western competition, playdays, 4H/FFA and ranch horses. Earlier I stated that we want to purchase higher quality mares. We want to move up the ladder quite a ways. We purchased the property and took over the breeding farm that the prior owners had started. I know I have a lot to learn and this has opened up my eyes for sure. I will be looking for supreme quality mares and will most likely post them for critique. Thanks for all of the comments and advice!
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post #26 of 28 Old 01-26-2012, 07:25 AM
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You might be able to lease a good mare. Breeding is more than that though. You need to understand bloodlines and what works well with what.. line breeding that works (and line breeding that does not work). You need to learn genetics and prepotency.

Yes, you are starting out. If you make it in this market you are doing it right. It IS business. You cannot breed with your heart, you need to breed with your head. You need to understand there will be long years of losing money. You need to know what your target market will support price wise. You need to look at breeding operations that have made it through the years (both good and bad economies) that have fed that target market and are still in business.

Last, but not least, you need to understand the money behind those successful operations. Most are not self supporting. Most are supported by other income (oil, Wall Street, Publishing etc.). It takes a LOT of money.

Of the ones that are self supporting, you need to understand the long years they were not until they got where they are now. Those operations also learned how to change with the economy. Most have trainers on site, facilities with boarders, and other sources of income.

Foal sales alone are a money loser. It is a poor market even for the good ones. It is a poor market... even at Fasig Tipton... in Saratoga....

Remember, some of the top breeding farms in the country have gone out of business or had to sell assets to stay afloat.

It is a business.. and it is a very expensive business not only to start but to maintain.
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I have to agree with the others.
If you are dead set on buying and breeding one of these mares with your "ok" stud then none of us can stop you, but please whatever you do DO NOT breed or buy that first mare. She has no redeeming qualities about her IMHO.
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I don't like either of the mares. And every single one of the foals you posted have weird necks and crappy legs. If a horse has nothing else, he must have sound legs. I wouldn't even give those foals another glance.

Why would you want to make more foals that look just like the ones going for $200 all over Craigslist? They're everywhere. They're selling for $25 a pop at auction in my area. Your stallion is so-so, but he'd make an amazing gelding.
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