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    02-23-2014, 11:42 AM
  #11
Weanling
4 is young. I agree with those who say she has a lot of growing and changing to do still. I bought my draft cross when she had just turned 5. She seemed fine when I bought her, and well balanced. She needed some muscle tone but she wasn't running down hill and her shoulder was relatively petite. A few months after I bought her she became super butt-high, and lop-sided. I had to have corrective hoof-trimming done because one hind leg was suddenly longer than the other. All I could think was "Oh no! What did I just buy?!" Thankfully, she only took another 8 months or so to level out again. She didn't reach her current height until she was almost 7 years old. She was 16.2 hands when I bought her as a 5 year old and now she measures between 17 and 17.1. I have found that the big guys can be late bloomers and a lot can change between 4 and 8 years of age.

Her general structure should remain the same, but I think her shoulder will catch up and she should level out. For being green I don't think she's tracking up too badly. There's no telling what some proper riding and conditioning, and some time to mature will do for this mare. She's already not a bad looking horse and time and conditioning will only improve things.

Though you do need to consider your goals. I don't think this mare is super high caliber. Watching the video, she's fairly average in the ways he moves. She certainly won't be taking you to grand prix, and if you have high aspirations then a well-bred warmblood with a family history of successful dressage mounts may be a better option, but if you are content to have fun at the lower levels and see how far this horse takes you, I think you should go for it!
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    02-23-2014, 12:22 PM
  #12
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She is what she is, and it's not like a warmblood. But if that's the first ride in an arena, and first in 4 months, I think you've got yourself a nice mare. If you change your mind, let me know.
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    02-23-2014, 09:19 PM
  #13
Foal
Thank you everyone for your thoughts, you have been very helpful! I found out her Sire, the spotted draft is 16.2h so maybe she will grow a bit more in the front (she is about 16h in the rear now). I guess I should have specified that I would just be doing training, 1st and possibly 2nd level dressage with her. She is quiet as can be but still forward and is such a sweetheart and comes from a very reputable trainer. As a nervous rider, she seems to fit what I need. I am seriously considering taking her on a lease to buy.
     
    02-24-2014, 11:22 AM
  #14
Green Broke
She may be a nice horse to have around, but an athlete she is not. She is very down hill in build. Note the line at her feet is nearly level but the line from point of buttock to root of neck is very down hill. Her shoulder is ok but she won't have the reach in front for dressage (and you won't get her weight on her hind quarters anyway because she is down hill.. so that too will limit her reach in front).

Her hind leg is not the best. First we start with a peak of croup too far back and behind a long, weak coupling. Her croup is very steep and the stifle is placed too far to the rear.. resulting in an over straight hind leg. The distance from point of buttock to stifle is short with the stifle placed to the rear like that.

She has a draft horse body and rear leg.. on legs that are a bit light (from the Thoroughbred side of things)

She probably gets her sweet unflappable nature from her draft horse side and she would be a good horse to learn on, but not a good horse for dressage. She will be near impossible to get balanced to the rear (downhill build) and if you do get her there she will lack power from the over straight hind leg. She won't reach pretty on her extended trot do to the lack of power behind, her downhill build and her shoulder.

Could be a GREAT horse to learn a lot from.
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    02-24-2014, 11:47 AM
  #15
Foal
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Originally Posted by Elana    
she may be a nice horse to have around, but an athlete she is not. She is very down hill in build. Note the line at her feet is nearly level but the line from point of buttock to root of neck is very down hill. Her shoulder is ok but she won't have the reach in front for dressage (and you won't get her weight on her hind quarters anyway because she is down hill.. so that too will limit her reach in front).

Her hind leg is not the best. First we start with a peak of croup too far back and behind a long, weak coupling. Her croup is very steep and the stifle is placed too far to the rear.. resulting in an over straight hind leg. The distance from point of buttock to stifle is short with the stifle placed to the rear like that.

She has a draft horse body and rear leg.. on legs that are a bit light (from the Thoroughbred side of things)

She probably gets her sweet unflappable nature from her draft horse side and she would be a good horse to learn on, but not a good horse for dressage. She will be near impossible to get balanced to the rear (downhill build) and if you do get her there she will lack power from the over straight hind leg. She won't reach pretty on her extended trot do to the lack of power behind, her downhill build and her shoulder.

Could be a GREAT horse to learn a lot from.

Thank you for your input! I am concerned about her being downhill but am I being optimistic thinking she may level out because she is still growing? I know a few people who own draft crosses that grew until they were 7 years old.
     
    02-24-2014, 11:52 AM
  #16
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I actually like her and think she'd be great for low level dressage and a lovely 'fun' horse as well
The Spotted Draft shouldn't really be called 'draft' at all because they're only half draft - don't know what this mare is a mix of but given that bit of draft blood in her that always seems to make them late maturers I think she will grow some into those quarters and not look so downhill in a years time
My Irish Draft is very downhill but competed successfully in low level dressage and works in a nice collected frame without a huge amount of effort to pick her front end up
Yes you will have to work a bit harder on her than you might on a breed that's been purpose bred for dressage but unless you have ambitions to go to the top and can afford the price tag that goes with it then a horse like this will probably give you more pleasure because her breeding should make her a more straightforward horse to ride and own
A Gypsy Cob was the British Novice Dressage Champion last year.
     
    02-24-2014, 12:15 PM
  #17
Foal
Good point jaydee. I should have mentioned she is crossed with a thoroughbred, both of her parents are registered and seem to be well bred. She is in my price range and I am not scared of her which is huge for me (I am a big chicken :P).

I guess why I am so interested in her is because I have seen so many people buy fancy dressage prospects and they are too scared to ride them because they are too spooky, forward etc. My riding falls apart as soon as I feel nervous.
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    02-24-2014, 02:57 PM
  #18
Green Broke
I forget--do you already own her, or are you looking to purchase her?
     
    02-24-2014, 03:56 PM
  #19
Foal
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Originally Posted by Zexious    
I forget--do you already own her, or are you looking to purchase her?
I am taking her on trial, looking to purchase her if the trial goes well.
     
    02-24-2014, 05:18 PM
  #20
Super Moderator
Having a horse you feel confident with is IMO more important for you right now than having one that's going to be competing at top level in any dressage competition in a months time
What's the breeding on the Spotted Draft side of her, Percheron x Paint seems to be quite common in the lineage?
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