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  • When my horse rests its hind foot he totally knuckles over what is this?

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    11-29-2012, 10:57 PM
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Conformation problem in hind end?

Ok, I have posted similar threads about this before, but thought maybe they were too old, so I will post again.

My 3 year old mare has had what I call 'noodle legs' since I bought her last year. The vet, at that time, said she was going through a growing spurt and her being a draft cross...she would grow into herself.

I had started her this past summer and just now started riding her more routinely at the walk and trot and taking her out on hills/trails while just leading her.

Multiple people have looked at her and scratched their heads. Chiro, trainers, vet, farrier.....no real solid answer. It was even mentioned that she may be gaited.

I am not leaning toward the gaited thing now. I had a video taken of her today at the trot. It is very easy to sit and almost seems too wierd to try and post. It is noted that she may be narrow based? And seems to plait her hind legs at times? Sometimes her feet get out of rhythm with eachother at the trot where the front and hind don't land together right at the same time in rhythm. I have noticed, but only at times, that she is uncoordinated just in the pasture too almost like something locks up and she knuckles over? It is not consistent, so it's hard to really tell. Sometimes she carries herself fine, other times she looks like a complete goonball.

When she is trotting she almost seems to do her own haunches in by herself sometimes and when she comes down to a walk she seems to swing her hip or leg out too. It is very obvious at the end of the first video when she comes down to a walk.

Please let me know if there are any ideas floating on out there with you that may have experienced something similar? I know she is only three and has draft in her, so maybe she will just grow and develop out of some of it or just be a goonball her whole life. That's fine with me, just wondering about it. :)



Here is her with me following behind her....

     
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    11-30-2012, 12:07 AM
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P.S. Even though everyone else has told me 'no', I am still not ruling out wobbler's. But if she did have a neuro disorder, it would be a Grade 1 from everything I've read about.
     
    11-30-2012, 08:51 AM
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Yearling
Subbing....i wanna see what it is....
     
    11-30-2012, 10:00 AM
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Trained
Don't really have any idea....but would like to see her really moving freshly forward in a trot to see if she "lines up" better. I've seen wobbly youngsters grow out of it, especially bigger breeds.
Could she have stifle issues, like upward fixation of the patella, in a very mild form? My standie was very wobbly in a walk, and had that problem. Never showed it while in race training, muscles pulled up the ligament enough. But locked up when he was out of training. I had him trimmed short and square-toed with slightly more heel, and he was fine, but would lock up going into week 7 after trimming.
     
    11-30-2012, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
Don't really have any idea....but would like to see her really moving freshly forward in a trot to see if she "lines up" better. I've seen wobbly youngsters grow out of it, especially bigger breeds.
Could she have stifle issues, like upward fixation of the patella, in a very mild form? My standie was very wobbly in a walk, and had that problem. Never showed it while in race training, muscles pulled up the ligament enough. But locked up when he was out of training. I had him trimmed short and square-toed with slightly more heel, and he was fine, but would lock up going into week 7 after trimming.
That is interesting deserthorsewoman....I am now in San Diego and at a new facility meeting with a new farrier today for the first time. I will be mentioning all of this to him. Maybe have a vet down here evaluate again. The stifle thing is possible. When chiro was out before we moved we did flexion testing and she did have some lameness the first couple steps at the trot after we held her leg. First set of flexion tests when I bought her were negative.

Today I plan on walking her up and down some hills while leading her on trails....now that I have that opportunity. Land was completely flat where I moved from. Some issues that I saw last year have dissolved ie: clipping her front heals with her hind legs and bunny hopping.
     
    11-30-2012, 11:04 AM
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Hill work, especially in a trot, is very beneficial if its that stifle issue. Trotting period, because it builds all muscles up evenly. My standie wouldn't run. He was too scared, having in mind that he could lock up anytime. His former owner was trimming him for me when he locked the first time, and was blaming me, of course. Took quite some educating to understand, lol. But with that trim he did fine, never had a problem. Square toe and slightly more heel to avoid the full stretch, to get off the leg sooner. That way the ligament can't catch on the patella. I knew a QH who eventually grew out of it, but could have only controlled exercise for nearly two years. But I don't think he was trimmed like that.
It's worth a try, tho.
     
    11-30-2012, 11:46 PM
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Today I took Snickers out on some trails that had hills. I did notice her legs much more with hills, traveling up and down them as well as lunging her on an incline. I am thinking maybe a locking stifle issue from my observations.....going down hill you could see the stifle popping....is that normal? When lunging, that rt hind almost looked like a peg leg. She wouldn't swing it out but more forward reaching but stiff? Hard to judge for me really. We will see what strength she gains now from frequent hill excursions.
     
    12-01-2012, 12:48 AM
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Green Broke
I agree with the stifle / patella problem. I hope you are not graining her! Draft x really don't need grain. You may need a calcium supp for her, and Hills are hard on stifle / patella / hocks. I would do more conditioning type of work with her, she also looks as though she may clip her hind feet on the inside swing.
     
    12-01-2012, 12:50 AM
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Trained
Sounds more and more like it.
Get her trimmed and report
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    12-01-2012, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by stevenson    
I agree with the stifle / patella problem. I hope you are not graining her! Draft x really don't need grain. You may need a calcium supp for her, and Hills are hard on stifle / patella / hocks. I would do more conditioning type of work with her, she also looks as though she may clip her hind feet on the inside swing.
Thanks Stevenson....

No grain, she gets bermuda/alfalfa in the morning and bermuda only in the evening. She gets almost one pound of Nutrena Empower Balance Ration Balancer daily. Not sure what her diet was the first couple of years...the place she came from was pretty questionable.

What type of exercises do you recommend that are more suited? I am thinking that she does clip her hind feet together at times, throwing her off balance in the trot and that is why it can feel so weird. She has gotten better and once she gets in a decent ryhthm now, seems to hold it longer than before.
     

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