Originally Posted by TheLastUnicorn View Post
Shoulder slope is 46 degrees, excellent. Shoulder angle is 89.01 degrees... this is a little on the closed side, but still close enough to 90 that it's not going to really be any issue, especially considering the whole rest of her shoulder construction.
Her humorous is a little TOO long, over 60% of the scapula is usually overkill, as it makes the horse "camped under". She is not so much so that it should effect her much.
You expressed interest about how her hindquarter angles are going to effect her movement... and the answer is, that the angles are 58.2 degrees (hip) 59 degrees (femur) and 61 degrees (pelvis). That slightly extra tilt to her pelvis would make it harder for her to "change gears".. but, we're talking such a minimal amount of tilt, I doubt you'd really "notice" it.
The rest of her hind leg isn't bad either, her hock does extend past the plumbline - even if you mentally straighten her cannon... but it's hardly worth mentioning. She shows enough angulation to have both flexibility and power.
The LS being forward is EXCELLENT.
And if you look at her "box" you'll see she isn't really what one would consider a "long" horse at all. Actually, she's a really well balanced horse. She doesn't have a long back - long would be over 50% of her body length... and it's a bit of a myth that a longer back (within reason, naturally) is weaker. On it's own, back length has little to do with the strength of the back... strength comes from the wither and the loin. Her wither is a little on the higher side than would be ideal, a saddle fitting issue mainly. Her back/wither is actually pretty strong, and if you look from the base of wither to the LS joint you'll see that that whole (short) section is actually pretty strong looking.
Loin girth is usually visual - you can draw a verticle line and place it at the flank, and another at the heart-girth(right behind the elbow) and measure them, they should be close to equal... but most people can "see" this without the use of a line.
I like how her neck ties in alright... but the shape is not quite ideal being almost a ewe neck (in spite of the the strength the rest of her body has, her neck stands out as being the weakest portion). I'm not convinced that she actually it, she may simply be straight necked and holding her head funny, giving the appearance that her neck is structured wrong, but it's still not the most graceful looking part of her.
Overall, I quite like this horse too. It does look like a better trim might help her out... there's a fair bit of toe there, but she's fit, and she's strongly built for both flexibility and scope... she should have pretty big movement, and still have the ability to flex... I would expect she can jump reasonably well too.
Thank you so much!!! I had been trying to measure angles by copying and pasting into a program on the web but had no luck
So a huge thank you for helping me out there.
Thank you also for your honest opinion. I agree, her neck is her downfall undoubtedly but I am glad to hear that you don't think her back is too long. I am slowly building some topline on that neck, photo was taken a month ago so it is a little more muscled than this particular photo (and considerably more muscled than when I brought her home if you saw her 'before' photos in my other thread!)
She is a bit of a hodge podge, certainly not the most 'correct' TB I have owned but I am happy to work with what I have got, knowing her shortcomings also really helps with the type of excercises that I design for her in the future.
Hope you're right about the jumping, after 6 months of flat work and basics I put her through a couple of grids and cavaletti for the first time this weekend and she is very willing and surprisingly, not an idiot. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!!
Oh, one more note on her conformation, being a TB and a mare, there is one more fault that she has between her ears, let me illustrate: Crazy Bobbie.jpg
Ah the poor girl, she's actually pretty good these days I should really stop picking on her
Got hooked using Paint though, what's a girl to do?