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  • What is wrong with a colt when his feet are curled under

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    12-20-2011, 11:37 AM
Green Broke
His sire is not a Stakes winner and really has nothing in his own right other than inspections and he is a colorful (double dilute Cremello). His stud fee is planned to be $1200 which is not an outstanding fee. The Dam's sire was a Sabino.. so this colt was created about color as much as conformation. I see no compelling reason to keep this horse we see here a stallion.

His upbringing is sadly neglectful. Stalling a horse in and of itself is not cruel.. but never handling the horse and just stalling it and feeding it is not exactly kind. He has been kept a prisoner. I wonder how good his eyesight is (not focusing on distant objects is something that is part of an animal's development!). I also wonder at the bone hardness and structure...

His feet need help. He has become slipper footed (and no one can pick his feet up I bet). His heels are curling under and are low with a long toe. I wonder at the thickness of his hoof walls when I see that.. but a good trim is in order and a farrier/vet might give you a better prognosis on the feet. If he has contracted frogs and so forth it may be a long road back (at 2 years old you do have time).

He looks pretty good in type and his sire and grandsire are a decent type. He needs time.. he needs training and handling.. he needs feet done.. He is going to be like starting with a feral horse in a lot of respects. A strong round pen to start (that he cannot jump out of!) and patience.. I think he looks worth it. He does have a very straight hind leg (photo number 2) and he does not have an open angle at the point of shoulder (this may change some.. but the level humorus says he won't jump nicely).

Good luck. He will be a project! :)
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    12-20-2011, 12:07 PM
Thank-you very much Elana, my thoughts as well.
I have wondered about his eye site, his bone, his hoof walls etc and am with you. I feel he is worth it, he'll be a long project but being two he should "straiten out" with work and become a decent ride for someone. I am sure he'll need to be sedated for his feet to be trimmed, and then there is the question of WHO in my area can take on such a corrective trim.
    12-20-2011, 12:09 PM
Bless you New Image for taking him on. Such a shame he was let go like that. Sending well wishes for you and the little guy!
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    12-20-2011, 10:31 PM
Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
I am not sure I get why it matters that people who do not give him even the most basic care think he should remain a stallion.

His feet are a disaster. The rest of him does not scream stallion. Take this poor boy, get his feet done and geld him.
I agree with this. There is absolutely no good reason to keep him as a stallion.
Best of luck to you and him.
    12-21-2011, 10:08 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by New_image    
Thank-you very much Elana, my thoughts as well.
I have wondered about his eye site, his bone, his hoof walls etc and am with you. I feel he is worth it, he'll be a long project but being two he should "straiten out" with work and become a decent ride for someone. I am sure he'll need to be sedated for his feet to be trimmed, and then there is the question of WHO in my area can take on such a corrective trim.
No idea your area, but I used to trim my own horses. This boy is mostly showing over growth and dead wall.. so getting him trimmed and level with a shorter toe will do him wonders. Probably won't do it in one stop, but I bet in 4-8 weeks with 2 professional trims and you working with a rasp once a week in between his feet will be fine (assuming no founder and treatment for thrush/canker which he is likely to have). You will need to follow up and that will be the start of his training.. learning to trust you enough to handle his feet.

Good luck!
    12-21-2011, 12:48 PM
Thanks ;)
I do most of my own farrier work already. For anything "corrective" and outside of my comfort zone I have hauled horses to someone about an hour away.
    12-23-2011, 11:59 AM
Green Broke
Wow poor little guy, this just breaks my heart. When I first adopted hunter he was a malnourished 15 month old with horrible feet. No where near as bad as this guy but who ever had been trimming him had done so bad he had no heel and his front legs were actually twisted. Thank goodness I found an awesome farrier and after about a year of corrective trims he straightened right out and now has great feet. So your lucky he is young and hopefully with proper hoof management he will have no lingering problems. Good luck with him and bless you for giving him a better life.
    12-23-2011, 09:21 PM
Just to give everyone some background on this colt (and New_image - I am SO glad to see him go to you! ), the breeder and owner of this colt passed away about a year ago now. He was in his 60's and did 100% of the horse duties himself

When this colt was born, he had just undergone major surgery (hip replacement) and was bedridden a lot of the time. His daughter helped out as much as she could. His wife always had "0" to do with the horses and didnt participate at all after his surgery, nor did she help out after he passed away either. He was also in ailing health overall but too proud to admit it and slow down. It was nothing for him to put up 3000-4000 bales of hay by himself if he couldnt get anyone to help him

The daughter did the very best she could in managing her own home and family and coming over every day to tend to the needs of the horses, while grieving the loss of her father. She also got the word out on the horses and slowly, one by one, placed them.

I know that she intended to keep this colt - she liked him a lot, but I believe she wasnt given that opportunity due to circumstances beyond her control and I believe what happened next was that without her there looking after the horse end of things, this colt was left in the care of the mother who - once again - had "0" interest, ability or desire to look after any of them let alone a young colt. Remember she was in her 60's as well, in poor health and probably never dealt with any of them let alone a young, rambunctious colt, so she simply left him in the stall until she could figure out what to do with him

No excuses for any of this. It was simply a horrific set of circumstances and the horses did end up suffering through no fault of their own but I guess when you have someone in their 60's with no interest in the horses overnight being given the responsibility of looking after 20+ of them, a lot of things arent done correctly at all. The father adored these horses - they were his whole life and he did the best for them when he was living. In an instant he was gone through a freak accident, with no one to step up to the plate after him

I miss him terribly still. He was a wonderful man and a very dear friend ... he would have been terribly upset to see what life this colt had led before New_image got him

All the very very best with him
    12-23-2011, 11:50 PM
Thank-you for adding that Donna, I wasn't sure what family history or background I should offer so just opted not to say what farm he is at.
The daughter did have every intent on offering this little guy a good life and wanted very much to keep him. It is very sad for him how things ended up but it was certainly not intentional! Hopefully I can get him turned around, handled and eventually placed if not just keep him here myself. I have acquired several of this farms wonderful horses and also miss our dear friend.
    12-27-2011, 02:30 PM
Looks like he would be a really cute gelding, and that would be the FIRST thing I would do with him. He'll be enough of a handful without adding hormones to the mix & there is nothing about him that is so special it needs to be bred on. Not trying to be a hater, I really do think he's a cute boy :)
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