After going through some of the previous post/comments I wanted to add this.
Originally Posted by New_image
Smokey Black Thoroughbred. Coming two year old. By Guaranteed Gold out of one of our Puchilingui daughters (born prior to our purchasing the mare). This was her first colt. His owner offered him to me but feels he should be kept a stallion.
The colt has never been outside of his stall. He was stunning as a foal but has gone down hill since, he actually looks much better here than the last time I saw him about six months ago.
He needs a lot of work (Needs to accept being touched, handled, learn to lead, tie, he has never seen a farrier, learn to not bite, not kick people and as stated he hasn't even seen the outdoors... ohh yippy, all I can say is I hope he inherited his sires disposition!)
Here ^^^ new image states that this horse is almost 2 yrs old.
She also stated in those almost 2 yrs he has never been out of his stall nor had he ever seen a farrier.
She also states she owns his mother whom had this colt before she purchased her, so in stating this makes me think she was aware of the horses well beings when she purchased his mother. I will give her the benefit of a doubt that things were not as bad when she purchased the mother, but if they were then shame on her for not trying to do something about it.
She also states that the little guy is going to need to accept being touched, handled, being lead, being tied, being trimmed, learn not to bite or kick, and accept being outside. (I will come back to this point in a min.)
Originally Posted by New_image
I have a couple of mares from the same farm, one is his dam. She was outside with minimal handling but has come around nicely. The other is her half sister who was in a stall until I picked her up (age 5) and she appears cow hocked from how her feet were left to grow as a baby and has the same swollen knees. She was in this stall longer, obviously, until five but the knees haven't gone down and she just grew a bit crooked which at this point cannot be fixed.
Here ^^^ she talk about the little guys mother that she owns again, stating that she was outside with little handling. She also says she owns her mares half sister, who she purchased when the half sister was 5. This 2nd mare she refers to was also in a stall for her whole life, until age 5. This same mare was visibly in bad shape and she was aware of this horses well being and yet still did not do anything about it! (I will also come back to this point)
Originally Posted by TrueColours
Just to give everyone some background on this colt (and New_image - I am SO glad to see him go to you!
), the breeder and owner of this colt passed away about a year ago now
. He was in his 60's and did 100% of the horse duties himself When this colt was born, he had just undergone major surgery (hip replacement) and was bedridden a lot of the time
. His daughter helped out as much as she could. His wife always had "0" to do with the horses and didnt participate at all after his surgery, nor did she help out after he passed away either. He was also in ailing health overall but too proud to admit it and slow down
. It was nothing for him to put up 3000-4000 bales of hay by himself if he couldnt get anyone to help him
The daughter did the very best she could in managing her own home and family and coming over every day to tend to the needs of the horses, while grieving the loss of her father. She also got the word out on the horses and slowly, one by one, placed them.
I know that she intended to keep this colt - she liked him a lot, but I believe she wasnt given that opportunity due to circumstances beyond her control and I believe what happened next was that without her there looking after the horse end of things, this colt was left in the care of the mother who - once again - had "0" interest, ability or desire to look after any of them let alone a young colt. Remember she was in her 60's as well, in poor health and probably never dealt with any of them let alone a young, rambunctious colt, so she simply left him in the stall until she could figure out what to do with him
No excuses for any of this. It was simply a horrific set of circumstances and the horses did end up suffering through no fault of their own but I guess when you have someone in their 60's with no interest in the horses overnight being given the responsibility of looking after 20+ of them, a lot of things arent done correctly at all. The father adored these horses - they were his whole life and he did the best for them when he was living. In an instant he was gone through a freak accident, with no one to step up to the plate after him I miss him terribly still. He was a wonderful man and a very dear friend ... he would have been terribly upset to see what life this colt had led
before New_image got him
All the very very best with him
Here ^^^ True Colours gives a background of this little guy.
She states the his original owner (whom also owned both mare New Image refers to in her previous post) past away a year ago now. She also states that at the time this horse was born the original owner had just had hip surgery, that kept him bedridden a lot of the time, and that even before he was not in the best of health. Obviously he was still the main care giver when the mares New Image refers to were on his property. Meaning he was aware the one mare was not being handle much, basically left outside to be wild, while another mare was locked in a stall 24/7, basically rotting away. If he "adored" these horses as much as you claim why would he allow them to live like this? There are 1,000s of horse lovers/adorers out there that want/have horses but only a handful of them are actually decent caregivers and very few are good horse owners.
She also states he was to proud to admit her could no longer handle everything or slow down but yet she did nothing to help the situation and if she did nothing that worked.
She also states about how the daughter tried to help. She says the daughter got word out and slowly re homed them, this I would like to applaud. It is very hard to re home horses, especially horses in poor health/condition even harder when you have so many horses.
She then goes on to say the daughter really liked this colt and that she planned to keep him but things beyond her control prevented this from happening. From this comment I get confused, why if she cared so much for this colt did she not do anything, she did not even let him out of his stall for heavens sake.
Again I have to point out, if he cared so much for these horses why would he not have set something up for them in case something happened to him. If he was in bad health I am sure he was aware so there is no way he could not have thought something could happen to me and then who would care for them? I mean I am sure he was also aware is wife had 0 interest in them so he could not have thought she would be able to care for them when she in no way cared for them while he was living. I still point my finger at him.
Also, I understand his family was dealing with a loss, I am not heartless to think that in no way should a loss of a father or husband would keep you from care for an animal because I know if I loss either it would be hard for me to even get out of the bed to care for myself. I also know when to ask for help and I know when I can not handle it anymore. In this day and time I know there are 1,000s of organizations that would have stepped in. So again I point the finger at them and anyone who was aware of what was going on.
Originally Posted by New_image
The daughter did have every intent on offering this little guy a good life and wanted very much to keep him. It is very sad for him how things ended up but it was certainly not intentional! Hopefully I can get him turned around, handled and eventually placed if not just keep him here myself. I have acquired several of this farms wonderful horses and also miss our dear friend.
I touched on this ^^^^ above.
Originally Posted by TrueColours
You need to read what I have posted The breeder had hip replacement surgery when this colt was born
. Wasnt planned that way at all, but that's just how things went.
He then passed away suddenly in a freak accident
His wife, in her 60's and in ill health for many years, NEVER did a thing with the horses. Not a single thing, so now - all of a sudden - overnight - she is now mourning the loss of her husband, has a ton of work to do to put closure on his passing, has a farm to run full time and about 30 horses to look after on her own including this young colt, a couple of stallions and a bunch of youngsters and mares. And winter is setting in.
One family member came to the table and started to assist in putting all of his affairs in order and looking after the horses but this family member had her own family and home to also look after and again - overnight - she was mourning the loss of her father, and looking after the horses and farm full time Unless you have walked a mile in the shoes of the individuals involved, sometimes it is very easy to sit on the side and pass judgement and criticism when you don't even know 1% of what actually went on
What the family member battled every single day in regards to the horses and their well being, when she was overruled every step of the way by the other family members, speaks volumes about her tenacity and her desire to do the right thing for all of them. In honor of her father and what he had spent his life creating and developing and also for the sake of the horses.
Don't worry. He isnt breeding anything anymore. He passed away ... remember ... ?!
Here ^^^^ I would like to say again the time line does not match up to the state of all the horses, this one colt in bad shape and left in a stall all of his life I could almost understand/accept due to the owner under going surgery and then sadly passing away but it was not just this one colt, it was others before him as well.
I will also add that True Colours is correct, all I can do it sit on the side lines and take in what I am reading, what information is being given to me. I was not there and I do not know everything that went on or played a part in what happened, but I can say from the information given to me by True Colours and New Image I do not retract my original post. I also can not believe nothing was done by these two people who claim to know so much and that the original owner was such a dear friend.
NO WAY IN HELL WOULD I ALLOW FOR MY DEAR FRIENDS HORSES TO END UP THE WAY THEY HAVE!!!!!
I am sorry if this offends anyone but this is just how I feel, in my honest opinion.
P.s. To New Image I also would like to applaud you for stepping up now and taking on the care of the horses from this situation that you have. He is looking great and I wish you all the luck!