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    08-21-2012, 08:34 PM
Watching her also in the canter, your reins are very long but they are tight on her, I feel like your arms should be a little more forward.

Also, try giving her a break from the circles, go around on the rail as well instead of always doing circles ;)
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    08-21-2012, 08:37 PM

I was basically just listening to what her owner was telling me to do, haha. She told me to use the reins as side reins.. which is why they were out so far, but they could've been looser. My trainer has a set of side reins that I could likely attach to the girth when riding as well.
    08-21-2012, 11:30 PM
Yep-no problem. I would not do that, to tight side reins while riding can cause a horse to flip over-!
Originally Posted by Jore    

I was basically just listening to what her owner was telling me to do, haha. She told me to use the reins as side reins.. which is why they were out so far, but they could've been looser. My trainer has a set of side reins that I could likely attach to the girth when riding as well.
    08-22-2012, 12:47 AM
They would be quite loose. I've used them on Major, in a lesson, and there was plenty of slack (although not enough for him to possibly get tangled).. they were just there to help him remained balanced. :)

I think I'd likely focus a lot on her groundwork at first though.
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    08-22-2012, 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by Black Beauty 94    

1) Free up her head-- teach her to drop her head with one seesaw (back and forth of the reins) along with leg pressure instead of pulling on her head.
Umm...yikes! A horse should never be taught to drop its head by seesawing on the reins.
    08-22-2012, 02:11 PM
Agree with canterklutz COMPLETELY ^^^
    08-22-2012, 03:12 PM
I usually just play with fingers lightly to get a horse to drop their head.. so it is best to just stick with that? I'm hoping my instructor is still going to be willing to help me out with her, but if not, I'm likely going to switch to a different barn.
    08-22-2012, 04:03 PM
"Playing" with the reins is basically using irritating little motions which cause the horse to duck away from the pain. It's not really engaging the mouth. The horse needs to be forward first and foremost. It is behind the rider's leg and is being worked backward (as in front to back). Try to put the foundation together first (forward, straightness, balance, etc) and worry about the head later. The head will come down naturally as a result when all the pieces are put in line and the rider's hands are steady and inviting. I hope that makes sense.
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    08-22-2012, 04:24 PM
It definitely does! I'll be sure to keep that in mind. :)
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    08-29-2012, 11:53 PM
To get the head to drop appropriately, the horse needs to respond to the outside aid halfhalts on the sit portion of the rising trot (inside rein holding, inside leg driving that horse into the outside holding leg and the outside rein and seatbone halfhalt), and then the positioning rein on the inside when you rise (outside rein now holding, outside leg holding with slight drive, inside leg driving and inside rein encouraging the bend around inside leg). Everytime you sit, the positioning inside rein should be released slightly. Everytime you rise, the halfhalting outside rein should be released.

Natural softening will occur when the horse is driving from the hind end, responding in balance with the halfhalts, and bending their barrel around the inside leg. Quiet hands will encourage it.

People see an over exhagerate example of this and try to duplicate the idea by seesawing, which is just the back and forth movement of the reins without the other aids. Tickling the reins is just another surface movement you use when you don't know how to properly use the aids. Some horses bend to it, others refuse to.

The softening issue shouldn't be addressed until the horse tracks up and is moving freely under a rider. This horse has a big stride that she isn't being allowed to use. This could be Jore's fault or it could be the horse's owners fault if she is ridden like this on a daily basis. Big strided horses can be a bit intimidating because they feel like they are running away, when really, they are just moving out to whats natural to them.

This is more of a riding critique. Watching her move in the video tells us very little since her natural motion is being restrained by the rider (again, Jore's doing or just what the horse has been trained to do).

Overall I think she's pleasant and willing under the circumstances.

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