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    04-04-2013, 05:50 PM
  #11
Showing
She seems to have lost weight.. have you been working her more recently? Maybe need to think about upping her hay.

I like the slope to her shoulder, and has a really cute little head.

Her neck muscles aren't right... like my boy she may giraffe it up, or not carry herself properly through her back.

She looks perkier in her face but yah.. I'd like to see her on level ground where she isn't reaching like that in her hind end.
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    04-04-2013, 06:00 PM
  #12
Foal
You could maybe add a rice bran supplement to her diet I give it to my hard keeper and when barrel season hits I also add flaxseed. The rice bran supp I use is called Natural Glo by Manna Pro its really great and has added calcium.
     
    04-04-2013, 06:19 PM
  #13
Showing
If she was recently on any antibiotics, she may need a 30 day probiotic supplement.
     
    04-04-2013, 08:20 PM
  #14
Foal
Does her loin look good? I can't tell.

My vet said to keep her thin rather than fleshy to avoid any surprise weight gain with the changes in grass, but yes, I want some more pounds on her because the ribby and pointy hip look is painful to look at. My farrier goes globally and says it's common for European sport horses to be on the thin side and the American horses to be the fleshy side. Meh. It's hard to get that ideal balance of not-too-fleshy and not-too-skinny.

We've been working on the long and low :) She does like to be a giraffe, I only recently started setting barriers for that last month... She developed hock arthritis this year at 12yo and I've been loading her up with MSM which has helped SO much. She's somewhat cow-hocked and had a rushed training as a 2yo so I think that did her in so early :/ I think once she realizes that she can practice self-carriage without experiencing soreness, it'll be easier, as at the moment she tries various ways of trying to make me give her something to lean on--- I figured out the reason she was jigging sometimes, she wanted me to put on enough pressure for her to lean, because I only use enough force to break a horse tail hair when she is speeding and ignoring my lighter aid. She usually responds to light aid sensitively, it's just when she feels lazy she'll use me as a shortcut. I think it's okay to let her practice long and low on her forehand, slow, for a while until she can balance, and then ask for the energetic pace, right? Currently, she thinks that when I release the reins it's a cue to stretch, but raises her head more than not when I pick up contact or add pressure. My method is just sitting with the same small pressure and, if she doesn't respond for a long time, wiggle at the corners of her mouth, letting her have a loose rein when she lowers just a bit.

Her line of work is novice Eventing and in-hand showing, her showing history says she's a winner for speed events, currently she goes XC the best, she lives to gallop between jumps and reacts quick on her feet. I've been riding her for about 6 years, owned her for 2, she was such a nutty filly back when she was 7yo. Vet cleared her for performance as long as I keep giving her liniment, MSM, and constant work. She went off the treatment for a week accidentally, and went lame on her left hind leg, the worst leg ... but I put her on a new brand of MSM and vetrolin, she's doing brilliantly in just 4 days, no soreness besides a tiny twitch in her back muscles on the shorter side when I check for soreness there. It's hard to gauge how she rides, because she changes each time I get on. I would say more whoa than go but difficult to keep calm in energetic exercises. She doesn't buck or kick but tenses terribly if I let her go stiff. Haha, 6 years and I still don't have her figured out! Never getting rid of my best personal, 4-legged trainer.
     
    04-04-2013, 09:23 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by TerciopeladoCaballo    
Does her loin look good? I can't tell.

My vet said to keep her thin rather than fleshy to avoid any surprise weight gain with the changes in grass, but yes, I want some more pounds on her because the ribby and pointy hip look is painful to look at. My farrier goes globally and says it's common for European sport horses to be on the thin side and the American horses to be the fleshy side. Meh. It's hard to get that ideal balance of not-too-fleshy and not-too-skinny.
Let me stop you here.

The weight she is at right now is not acceptable. That is not thin, that is underweight. It's easy to keep them at a good weight when they are on a good diet and have regular exercise. I don't know why your vet/farrier said that.. to me that sounds kind of stupid.


Any horse anywhere should be as close to ideal weight as possible (hence why it's called ideal.) Easy keepers (which apparently yours is not right now for some reason) are a little harder to keep from getting too fat, but there are ways to go about that which will help you manage their weight.

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Before of Sky, when he was getting less than 3 flakes a day and he's around 17hh.



Not acceptable!

This is him now, 2 years later.



He is thin.. he is not fleshy. That's the kind of thin you need to look for.. not what you're at right now.

With the grass change, you can get a grazing muzzle or turn out in a dry lot or have restricted turnout in the pasture. Or you can alter the diet to allow for more nutrients in the grass. Certain times of the day the sugar content of grass is high, so avoid turning out during those times.

But I'm glad you agree she needs more weight.
     
    04-04-2013, 10:17 PM
  #16
Green Broke
Body condition is such an interesting topic. I agree, the OP's horse looked better in the first photo TO ME and my tastes. But I think she is right on the cusp of acceptable in the second photo. I mean, me, personally, I like a little flesh on them. But the second photo doesn't look bad.

Sky, I keep my horses a little more fleshy too. No skinny horses on my watch! So I think your guy definitely looks best in your second photo.

However, I don't think he necessarily looked underweight in your first photo. I don't see ribs. Unfortunately I know people who keep their horses with less flesh on them than your guy in the first photo. Less fleshy than the OP's horse in his later photos, and work them hard. Sometimes I just cringe at the condition of some people's horses. I guess what I am saying is, although I prefer a little more flesh on them as you do, I can also see them looking like Sky in his first photo and that being acceptable. Maybe, just maybe, a hint of ribs is okay in a VERY fit horse (like a racing fit TB or an Akhal Teke). But for the most part, if I see ribs, it's just too thin for my comfort level.

I can see how perceptions may be different in other parts of the world due to what they are used to seeing.

I read somewhere that endurance horses with a fleshier body condition score do better than those with lesser body scores. So I do think a little bit of flesh is healthier for a working horse. And I prefer the look on any horse myself.
     
    04-05-2013, 02:33 AM
  #17
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
Body condition is such an interesting topic. I agree, the OP's horse looked better in the first photo TO ME and my tastes. But I think she is right on the cusp of acceptable in the second photo. I mean, me, personally, I like a little flesh on them. But the second photo doesn't look bad.

Sky, I keep my horses a little more fleshy too. No skinny horses on my watch! So I think your guy definitely looks best in your second photo.

However, I don't think he necessarily looked underweight in your first photo. I don't see ribs. Unfortunately I know people who keep their horses with less flesh on them than your guy in the first photo. Less fleshy than the OP's horse in his later photos, and work them hard. Sometimes I just cringe at the condition of some people's horses. I guess what I am saying is, although I prefer a little more flesh on them as you do, I can also see them looking like Sky in his first photo and that being acceptable. Maybe, just maybe, a hint of ribs is okay in a VERY fit horse (like a racing fit TB or an Akhal Teke). But for the most part, if I see ribs, it's just too thin for my comfort level.

I can see how perceptions may be different in other parts of the world due to what they are used to seeing.

I read somewhere that endurance horses with a fleshier body condition score do better than those with lesser body scores. So I do think a little bit of flesh is healthier for a working horse. And I prefer the look on any horse myself.
i think in skys first photo the horse was looking pretty under weight I bet from a curtain angle you could see ribd then. Now he looks amazing and at the correct weight, everyone has diffrent prefrances on horses weight I think if you can see ribs they need more food or supps unless of course its a tb then most of the time there at a healthy weight and you can see ribs. And sorry for ant miss spellings my phone likes to auto correct me except its wrong grrrrrrr.
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    04-05-2013, 02:44 AM
  #18
Foal
I have a 15.1hh Quarter horse that I use for roping,barrels,poles,rodeos, and trails. He is a hard keeper in the summer I feed him 2 flakes one flake alfalfa one bermuda then one bermuda in the afternoon and then 1 and 1 again in the evening he also gets 1lb of Natural glo and 1/4lb of flaxseed, I don't really ride alot in the summer due to it being in the 115 range and still being 100 at night. In the winter I feed 3 flakes of alfalfa a day and always have bermuda in front of him so he can graze on it all day then I feed 1 1/2lb of Natural glo and 1/2lb of flaxseed, I ride him alot in winter and he burns lots of calories from the races.
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    04-05-2013, 03:51 AM
  #19
Green Broke
If she is developing hock problems, why would you want to use her in a speed event? That will just cause her more problems . I would be more concerned on that issue than her weight .
     
    04-05-2013, 11:10 AM
  #20
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Originally Posted by stevenson    
If she is developing hock problems, why would you want to use her in a speed event? That will just cause her more problems . I would be more concerned on that issue than her weight .
yes that is a pretty big issue also the horse could run once and awhile just not all the time. My friends horse has hock issues but her horse loves to run barrels so she runs them about every 2 months or so but that's just one run not multiple and then she just uses her for trails after that.
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