Originally Posted by blue eyed pony View Post
Don't like the progeny either. JMO.
No, it's not typical gypsy. Might be where you are but NZ (and here in Oz for that matter) there aren't a lot of gypsy horses and so quality often leaves a lot to be desired because the attitude is "OMG rare horsey" and few people actually pay attention to the conformation of the animal. Even here - there are maybe 5 gypsy horses in the whole state - the standard of quality is FAR higher than the individual you are considering. Higher still in the Eastern states of Australia and you can get chilled semen from several of them, making them possible options - although I wouldn't AI a maiden mare because the conception rate is kind of low with AI.
Yes the whole leg has to be taken into account BUT an upright shoulder is still a fault that you don't want to enhance or accentuate and like begets like so that "only slightly" upright shoulder might turn into "holy upright shoulder Batman!!" in the progeny, especially if you breed a horse with the fault to another horse with the same fault. You MIGHT get lucky but I don't like the chances.
I understand what you are saying about the lack of quality in the imports (they tend to go for the lower end of the market as it's so darn expensive to import anything esp here with all the extra taxes we have to payon top). However ALL the Gypsy stallions I've seen on line including the top ranked Irish stallions are all bum high as at the end of the day they are built 1st to pull the wagons 2nd to ride.
I want to bred her to a small RID or UK Show Cob (thought about Sect D welsh, but find them quite stiff in their movement), but that's just not going to happen.
She is a maiden so I'm not going down the AI route 1st time around with her, I want natural cover 1st time & will make sure all goes well blah blah blah before commiting a small fourtune 'just' to get her inseminated, let alone hoping it takes etc.
I'll ask for updated pics as those pics are from 2006 when he was 3 or 4 I think & have another look at him - it will come down to what will most likely throw me the type (HW Cob or hunter) I'm after, Not what will give me a nice modern sports horse or WB.
As far as shoulder conformation goes each to their own - her grand dam had the same as her & went till 39yrs old despite being a top level SJ for 13yrs & hunting for 21yrs, with never a lame day nor looking her age (in fact she only died last yr & was still happy as a sand lark & in med work with the grandkids of her owners on board), her Dam looks much the same & also at 12-13yrs has never been lame nor missed a beat, despite 8yrs eventing & SJ over summer & hunting over winter ;) My mare comes from a long line of horses built to work hard & stand up to that work BUT she is the last decent boned horse of this line (the station sold all it's breeding stock 6yrs ago when I got her) & IMO Nz horses are getting to fine in build to stand up to decent/ hard work which is why so many are breaking down or having to have all manner of body work done to keep them going now.
Thanks for your opinion & honesty though- it's food for thought :)