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  • Difference between happy mouth and nathe bit
  • Difference between nathe and happy mouth

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    02-21-2012, 07:06 PM
Some horses are so tough you would never know anything was wrong with them! Im glad that you found out what was agitating him so much!!
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    02-21-2012, 08:20 PM
Yey! Easy fix!. Much easier to file down a tooth than fix a sore back. Should have put a bet down on the teeth!
    02-21-2012, 09:01 PM
Green Broke
It's weird though because he had his teeth done a year ago, and he still did it after that time, but it was a different vet and a different method... but I assumed it was properly done anyway, but maybe not. Will be interesting to see how he is in a week or so.

I asked my BO how he was tonight and he said that Cinny was eating like a big pig when he left, LOL.
    02-21-2012, 10:00 PM
Cinny, have you ever tried eggbutt on him? For whatever reason my qh hated the loose rings couple times I tried them (exactly same mouthpiece BTW) and tossed her head. If you could borrow one from someone in barn, I'd give it a try.
    02-21-2012, 10:18 PM
Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
Cinny, have you ever tried eggbutt on him? For whatever reason my qh hated the loose rings couple times I tried them (exactly same mouthpiece BTW) and tossed her head. If you could borrow one from someone in barn, I'd give it a try.

Kitten asks a good question. I use an eggbutt version of that same bit you have since the loose ring is a little too much movement for my horse. If she's still tossing her head in a week, that's worth a look.
    02-21-2012, 11:12 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
Cinny, have you ever tried eggbutt on him? For whatever reason my qh hated the loose rings couple times I tried them (exactly same mouthpiece BTW) and tossed her head. If you could borrow one from someone in barn, I'd give it a try.
Ha ha, we tried an eggbutt for about a week and a half, he HATED IT. These are the bits I have used.

1) plain old loose ring sweetiron snaffle, when I first bought him and it was only used for getting him used to having a bit in his mouth and lunging, I never rode him in it because I was doing his first rides with a side pull.

2) Plain full cheek snaffle, I used this to have a little more turning power as he was learning. He learned to brace on it so I went to....

3) Fulmer. I used this for about 6 months and he did okay in it, but I think it had too much nutcracker action for his liking. My seriouis Dressage trainer had me go to

4) Sprenger WH. He did fine in this, didn't seem to care for the roller and developed a reaction to the Aurigan, who knew???

5) Change to the copper snaffle in the link above. He really seemed to do well in it. Changed stables and trainers, new trainer had me do

6) Similar snaffle in an eggbutt. Head tossing and gritting was worse plus he would add in a side to side action similar to horses who "weave" in their stall, only he would do it while riding. He also started experimenting with bracing against it again,something he can't do with the loose ring.So I went back to

5) Copper snaffle and we have stayed here.

He is always accepting of this bit and we never have any bridling issues at all, sometimes he actually grabs it from me like it's a treat. I do occasionally have issues getting to "drop" the bit after riding when I go to take the bridle off and will try to grab it back. I've never had a horse do this before.

He seems to like it, it's show legal, he works decently in it and I'm hoping he will work even better after his dental, so we will probably quit with this one :)
    02-21-2012, 11:40 PM
I can't tell if you are in the video- but my understanding was when you are using a loose ring you should use bit guards. My horse was tossing his head, etc and it was because the bit was pinching him (it would slide in his mouth then end up pinching). And I know loose rings are known to pinch, State Line Tack has rubber bit guards for .99 cents (for a pair) which is where I got mine and they work pretty well and have held up so far.
    02-23-2012, 03:19 AM
I would suggest a happy mouth snaffle (or French link) or a nathe flexible loose ring snaffle. Your horse is VERY backed off from the bit, some of this might be training, some of this might be his teeth, some of this might be sensitivity. But you never want loopy reins like you have, you want steady contact, you don't want him backed off and bound up. Tanking him out of a metal bit and placing him in something so soft it can't possibly hurt him might help (it helped my mare who has loads of mouth problems after having a terribly infected tooth before I bought her).

I started her off in the flexible loose ring nathe bit and the just converted all of her bits off of metal and now she actually makes contact into the bridle and 'takes' me (and wants to go into the bridle) instead of being backed off and me having to push her into the bridle all the time. I simple attribute this to sensitive bars and pain memory of someone riding her with a bit when her mouth hurt but now between happy mouths, rubber covered bits, and nathe bits I never have to ride her in a metal bit again (all that I have suggested are dressage legal hard plastic bits are even legal on the double bride [which I'm hopeful to move my pony into when she's ready]).

I think it'd be worth giving a try, I'm glad to hear all of the things you are doing (to and) for yourself. I just think that sometimes getting the pain memories of metal out of their head can improve their training by leaps and bounds. The only thing I will warn you of is sometimes if they chew on the happy mouths it can cause sharp edges that need to be sanded smooth (usually working your way up to 1000grit will make it smooth enough).

Also I know you've been working a lot with him on "exercises" but I'd suggest taking him back to basics and work with the USDF training pyramid:

    02-23-2012, 03:34 AM
Notice that lightness and self carriage is at the top? Your horse is going to be strong and into the bridle for a while before he will be strong enough and educated enough to be light without being backed off in the bridle. I'd suggest bulking up your shoulders back and abs now because you're going to need that support system when he figures how to push his energy into (and sometimes through :p) the bridle.

I hope this helps you in your wonderful journey through dressage! Remember at intro they're just suppose to understand the basics of "rhythm" "relaxation" and "connection" and they're suppose to have a pleasant way of going. At training level you refine this with some semblance of a "frame".

As an example I did the old intro 1 and 2 on this little mare who went around with her little nose stuck out and her ears forward. And she had a solid walk and trot and moved forward with a good rhythm for her size. We made a clear difference between corners and circles and she did execute a straight stretching walk. And she scored a 67 and 68. She wasn't in a frame, she wasn't an OUTSTANDING mover. But she achieved all the necessary requirements of intro.
    02-24-2012, 03:40 PM
Green Broke
Go To Cinny's Post Dental Update Feb 24 for the latest update :)

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