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        06-10-2012, 09:21 PM
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    Foal
    Critique this possible buy?

    Sorry, I know that I've got like a zillion different threads up say just as many thing- look at this horse, what about that one... It's just there are so many horses and none have really been right so far. I think I'm going to end up camping out here and in the horses for sale forum, ok? We'll all get to know each other real well.

    So, this boy's ad was on Craigslist today, and I decided to toss out a line on him and see if him might be decent. At the price he's listed as, I wouldn't be adverse to putting some time and work in on him and either keeping him as my own, or trying to sell him in a year or two at a small profit (probably just to a home looking for a trail horse or local show horse).

    So we've got a 5 year old 16hh grade gelding that's broke, currently being ridden by a beginner and doing fine with her. No special training on him, occasionally ridden near traffic with no signs of spooking. Good ground manners, no vices (though at one time he was said to threaten to nip while eating following a period of neglect, no recent signs of the behavior). Never really had anything special done with him, just been a good horse.

    What I think about him is that:
    He's a "broke" 5 year old. In my mind a 5 year old warrants green status, because he's not had time to really have been there and done that. We've got two at the barn that are both 7 now, one's dead safe, no spook that we have no problems with putting kids on, and the other is in no way safe for a child- and it's all in their heads, because they've got about the same amount of training. Sure the kids can't get a great collected ride out of the safe one, but they can have a good time on him. If he's got a good head on him I'd consider him, and it sounds like he might, have to meet him to know.

    I also know that he'll need work- he's always been a pet horse before, and I'd be using him for shows, so that means plenty of time in the saddle. I'll have weekly lessons and have my (very experienced) instructor to help, as well as I could possibly take lessons with a nearby trainer to work on him as well. My current lease has been a project, and we've turned out pretty well, so I'm not opposed to it. Meeting him and seeing just how much work he will need is key- does he just need tuning, or does he have major issues to work on? I can handle tuning and small stuff. Major issues would bump him off the list.

    I'm not sure about his conformation, as I suck at judging a horse, but he looks halfway decent to my eye, though I don't have great picture to judge from yet. I'll let you all tell me about him. His back legs especially I want to hear about, he looks like he toes out? How does that effect the movement and soundness? From what little you can see, does he look like a decent western prospect?


    These are the picture that I've gotten so far, most are from when the seller first bought him, and he was still skinny. I think he's still going to need to toning and groceries, but the two that have him unsaddled show his current weight.








    Video and better photos hopefully to come soon.
         
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        06-10-2012, 11:34 PM
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    Foal
    Ok, now another possibility for you to look at:

    15 hh 8 year old bay roan mare, currently used for trails and started on some gaming. Very level headed, willing, laid back no spook. Cow bred- HERDA and HYPP status unknown (no Impressive or Poco Bueno in her though). Has a lot more training than the gelding.





    She's more than the gelding, but she's also worth more, with better training and being registered. Still nicely under budget. Have to see if she'll collect up and go in for a pleasure class... but I think she's the better horse out of these two.
         
        06-10-2012, 11:47 PM
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    Weanling
    I like the gelding. He looks running bred to me. If you don't get him sent him my way please!:)
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        06-10-2012, 11:51 PM
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    Weanling
    The gelding: He is presumably green and has the lack of muscle to prove it. He has a sweet sweet face, and I bet he is a kind boy. He has a HUGE shoulder that is pretty upright; I am betting he is maybe a Saddlebred cross, or some other gaited type. He will have very upward, round gaits, so if that is your style, cool beans. His bum is nicely angled as well. I do not much like his neck or front pasterns, but they are not a deal breaker. Could use some work on those duck bill toes he has going! Overall he looks like a real sweety, and when muscled up, could be very very functional.

    The mare: She is downhill, pigeon breasted and her neck is pretty nested in there.. but alas, she is a cow horse; she was bred to look like this! I am not a big fan of her front half, though she seems pretty accurately built for cutting. Her hocks are a bit high set, as expected, and she is light in bone. Honestly I think if you are looking for a lower level cow horse she would be fine, but otherwise she is pretty limited. Don't think she would do very well in a pleasure class, though perhaps open show level she might be fine.

    Overall I think the better constructed horse for all-around riding is the gelding.

    Cheers,
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        06-10-2012, 11:52 PM
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    Weanling
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        06-11-2012, 12:50 AM
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    Foal
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    Originally Posted by RunSlideStop    
    The gelding: He is presumably green and has the lack of muscle to prove it. He has a sweet sweet face, and I bet he is a kind boy. He has a HUGE shoulder that is pretty upright; I am betting he is maybe a Saddlebred cross, or some other gaited type. He will have very upward, round gaits, so if that is your style, cool beans. His bum is nicely angled as well. I do not much like his neck or front pasterns, but they are not a deal breaker. Could use some work on those duck bill toes he has going! Overall he looks like a real sweety, and when muscled up, could be very very functional.

    The mare: She is downhill, pigeon breasted and her neck is pretty nested in there.. but alas, she is a cow horse; she was bred to look like this! I am not a big fan of her front half, though she seems pretty accurately built for cutting. Her hocks are a bit high set, as expected, and she is light in bone. Honestly I think if you are looking for a lower level cow horse she would be fine, but otherwise she is pretty limited. Don't think she would do very well in a pleasure class, though perhaps open show level she might be fine.

    Overall I think the better constructed horse for all-around riding is the gelding.

    Cheers,
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    Thank you so much! I just can't look at a horse and tell what it was bred for, so it's wonderful to have all of you here to tell me these things.

    A cutting horse I do not need, so her build may knock her out. She's got more training of the two, but all the training in the world won't help me if she is limited by her bones. The way that the seller talks she's a good girl, but they've geared her more towards gaming and possibly cows, so I don't really know about her. I love her head, she has a very kind face, but nothing really stood out.


    As for the gelding, I really liked his butt as soon as I saw a good picture of him. I just love the chunky qh butt! Now that you've said saddlebred, I can kind of see it in his front end, though you've got me scared that when his videos come alone he's going to have a lot of knee action, or move funky. I've got to see him move, that's for sure.
    His pasterns are a bit long, is that what you've mean? Would this be something that could potentially effect soundness in the long run? His feet concern me in general, I would definitely have a farrier out if I purchased him. As for his neck, what have you spotted?
         
        06-11-2012, 09:22 AM
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    Weanling
    He just has a long neck kind of skinny neck. I personally don't mind his neck. I'd like to see his pasterns in person to see how long they really are. I really don't see saddlebred but then again I'd have to see him move. He is a nice horse. He looks like he might be narrow in the front end. Will they send you a straight on pic of his front end?
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        06-11-2012, 03:00 PM
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    Foal
    Got ya. I saw an underworked neck lacking muscle, but unwanted to make sure that I wasn't missing something. Will the length have any negative effect on him? He's pretty skinny in those pics, but yeah, he does look a bit narrow, though I think with the work I'll be doing with him he should be ok. My big concern is how well he take up my leg. My current mare is so thin that I just can't find her under me. T_T
    I can see a bit of saddlebred in his shoulder, but the rest pretty well says quarter horse to me. Would not be surprised by a saddlebred/qh cross though, both breeds are amongst the most common around here.

    I need pictures and video of him... Seller is try to get them by tomorrow, so hopefully that will tell more.
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        06-11-2012, 03:14 PM
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    Green Broke
    I don't know if anyone else agrees BUT, the gelding, though the better choice of the 2 horses, has some weakness in his back that I don't care for. It won't matter with light work, but I noticed that the first pic (front on shot) shows him re-balancing with his back legs to accommodate the rider's weight. IF you buy him and start working him hard, he might not hold up. Corporal (1982-2009, RIP) had this problem, but, being an Arab, the rest of him compensated for it.
    I like my QH's build. (He is NOT registered, btw.)


    Look for balance, shorter cannons that the upper leg, a horse that naturally stands with his back feet underneath him--the picture of the roan mare shows her camped-out. You should also look for no "waisted in". Some geldings are, and many mares are waisted in, and it will show up as a weak back. If I could change things on MY QH, I'd give him a longer neck.
         
        06-11-2012, 03:16 PM
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    Weanling
    Agreed, his neck is just long and skinny, not my cup o tea :)

    His pasterns are longer than normal, but if he is indeed Saddlebred (cross), this is normal. He should be fine.

    Kner action: who knows. He will move more upright and round than a WP horse, and that is not a bad thing; it could be easier to get him working from behind that way.

    Awaiting video :)
         

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