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post #1 of 19 Old 12-26-2013, 06:55 PM Thread Starter
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Dressage Horse Prospect - Please critique

I found this great dressage prospect horse.

Here are the stats:

Arab/Dutch Harness
Location: Illinois
Foaled in 2005
Spirit Scale: 3
Experience: Has been shown in dressage, has been used as lesson horse
Height: 14.3 - 15.0
Price: $2800- $3200

I found her listed in different places with slightly different stats (see range in height and price).

Do you think she would be a good first dressage horse for an adult amateur of intermediate riding ability? I should add that I'm 5'4 so I should fit on a 14'3 horse.





I've been in contact with the owner - she seems legit; runs a boarding/riding facility. She has been used a lesson horse; is an easy keeper and has great ground manners.

Anyway, any input is greatly appreciated.

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post #2 of 19 Old 12-26-2013, 09:00 PM Thread Starter
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Here is her description from the horse classified ads:

" MD I've Got Clout - Fergie is a 7yo, 2006 Arab/Dutch, mare. Bred by Rooker Arabians. Raised and trained by DezRey Arabians until age 4. Solid LEVEL 1 dressage. The videos tell it all! -VIDEO 2: Show/Lessons: is a record of 3 years, of class A show clips with 3 of 4 riders competing at their very first class A show. VIDEO 1: Nov 2013.The video at home is with a 13yo rider. We (RockyBranchStables. Con) have had Fergie for 3+ years (sorry about the typeO on the title page of the videos listing her as born in 05, correct is 2006). Never had a vet call. No scars. Never had a vice. Solid. Sound. Loves kids, nickers to you when you're just holding her lead rope. Sweet. Kind. Patient. Great on the trails. Fergie has always been the perfect mare iturned out with other horses."
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I like this mare! She's willing and has a lot of try in her, and has a good rythmic trot and though she's a bit downhill in build and is often running along on her forehand, this is more because of the rider than due to a lack on her part. I think she puts up with a lot of face pulling and bobbles in balance, and boring relentless circles. At the canter, she was a bit crabby, but that's becuase the rider's hands were not steady and she was being bopped in the mouth.

This one is definitely worth a second look and a trial ride, IMO.
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I like this mare! She's willing and has a lot of try in her, and has a good rythmic trot and though she's a bit downhill in build and is often running along on her forehand, this is more because of the rider than due to a lack on her part. I think she puts up with a lot of face pulling and bobbles in balance, and boring relentless circles. At the canter, she was a bit crabby, but that's becuase the rider's hands were not steady and she was being bopped in the mouth.

This one is definitely worth a second look and a trial ride, IMO.
Thanks for the critique! I think it's a good attribute that she is able to tolerate a variety of riders.
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I'm seeing a horse that isn't engaging it's hindquarters and this is a prime requisite to be a dressage horse. It can be achieved. As she become more accomplished, her withers will lift.
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I'm seeing a horse that isn't engaging it's hindquarters and this is a prime requisite to be a dressage horse. It can be achieved. As she become more accomplished, her withers will lift.
Good point. I'm not looking to go GP or anything but I'm willing to put in the effort and time to do lower level shows.

I figured with a younger horse I have time on my side. I'm mostly screening for disposition, health and aptitude.
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Here is a link with some confo pictures:

http://www.dreamhorse.com/ad/1909181.html
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This is not a good horse for a beginning, or intermediate, dressage rider to buy. This horse has been trained with a false headset. Retraining this horse to carry itself correctly for dressage is going to take a very skilled, higher level rider. That is one of the hardest bad training issues I've ever had to fix, and I will never buy another horse trained like that again. If the horse were younger, less time being forced into a false frame then my opinion might be different.<br />

How can a barn state the horse is a solid Level 1? They don't even know the levels proper names. And that horse isn't solid Training level. Nothing about thise videos showed any semblence to what is considered solid dressage basics. The horse is not using it's back, it is not in level balance, and it is not showing good bend and suppleness. It travels very heavy in it's forehand with a braced head and neck. There's no swinging through the back either.

Cute horse. The current trainers don't have the first clue about dressage and it shows.

Also, I worked with an Arab, Dutc harness horse cross before. They are very forward, nimble, and energetic. If you're not a very confident rider, if you don't have a strong core and seat, then this may not be a good match for you.<br />
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Get a pre purchase done too. Something kind of weird looking with how the left hind travels. May be nothing, but make sure a vet checks it before you buy the horse.<br />
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This is not a good horse for a beginning, or intermediate, dressage rider to buy. This horse has been trained with a false headset. Retraining this horse to carry itself correctly for dressage is going to take a very skilled, higher level rider. That is one of the hardest bad training issues I've ever had to fix, and I will never buy another horse trained like that again. If the horse were younger, less time being forced into a false frame then my opinion might be different.<br />

How can a barn state the horse is a solid Level 1? They don't even know the levels proper names. And that horse isn't solid Training level. Nothing about thise videos showed any semblence to what is considered solid dressage basics. The horse is not using it's back, it is not in level balance, and it is not showing good bend and suppleness. It travels very heavy in it's forehand with a braced head and neck. There's no swinging through the back either.

Cute horse. The current trainers don't have the first clue about dressage and it shows.

Also, I worked with an Arab, Dutc harness horse cross before. They are very forward, nimble, and energetic. If you're not a very confident rider, if you don't have a strong core and seat, then this may not be a good match for you.<br />
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Get a pre purchase done too. Something kind of weird looking with how the left hind travels. May be nothing, but make sure a vet checks it before you buy the horse.<br />
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Good eye. I was wondering about the Dutch Harness horse part too, as I have no experience with that breed at all. I do have experience with full and half arabs though and really enjoy them.
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